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So when should a publisher ditch d20 and develop their own system?
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<blockquote data-quote="eyebeams" data-source="post: 3308707" data-attributes="member: 9225"><p>Um, actually, we'e talking about sales that probably leave the lifetime sales of games and supplements that are commonly considered to be successful around here in the dust. On Amazon right now, it's selling about as well as Dragon Magic despite being a full year older. Other RPGs in its ranking category (the 30,000s) include D20 Modern and Mutants and Masterminds. Iron Heroes, which is about as old, isn't even close, being in the 6 digit rankings (a position it shares with Arcana Evolved, which is a bit older).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I *also* said that I excluded multiple instances with Serenity RPG discussion in non-dedicated sites. You're more than capable of firing up Google yourself for that.</p><p></p><p>And of course, I've linked to multiple reports of people playing it, without mentioning Mearls' brother *and* the fact that my hypothesis that of rgard's customers, the only guy who'd actually run a Firefly-based game was the guy who went with the official rules happened to be absolutely correct.</p><p></p><p>At this point, I'd say the argument that nobody's playing the game with the rules in significant numbers compared to those using alternatives has been given a spectacular viking burial, with burning ships, sonorous intonations of doom, and a sense of confident finality.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I brought up the WoD because most of its fandom is organized outside of general interest rpg groups, not because of the numbers of sites. It's just one example where just because somebody on ENWorld isn't talking about it all the time doesn't mean it isn'y happening. As the entire basis for pretending Serenity was unsuccesful rested on this extraordinarily shaky premise, it's certainly relevant.</p><p>If you chose to seize upon the latter despite not even believing it made a difference to the discussion, well, what exactly does that say about your partucipation?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="eyebeams, post: 3308707, member: 9225"] Um, actually, we'e talking about sales that probably leave the lifetime sales of games and supplements that are commonly considered to be successful around here in the dust. On Amazon right now, it's selling about as well as Dragon Magic despite being a full year older. Other RPGs in its ranking category (the 30,000s) include D20 Modern and Mutants and Masterminds. Iron Heroes, which is about as old, isn't even close, being in the 6 digit rankings (a position it shares with Arcana Evolved, which is a bit older). I *also* said that I excluded multiple instances with Serenity RPG discussion in non-dedicated sites. You're more than capable of firing up Google yourself for that. And of course, I've linked to multiple reports of people playing it, without mentioning Mearls' brother *and* the fact that my hypothesis that of rgard's customers, the only guy who'd actually run a Firefly-based game was the guy who went with the official rules happened to be absolutely correct. At this point, I'd say the argument that nobody's playing the game with the rules in significant numbers compared to those using alternatives has been given a spectacular viking burial, with burning ships, sonorous intonations of doom, and a sense of confident finality. I brought up the WoD because most of its fandom is organized outside of general interest rpg groups, not because of the numbers of sites. It's just one example where just because somebody on ENWorld isn't talking about it all the time doesn't mean it isn'y happening. As the entire basis for pretending Serenity was unsuccesful rested on this extraordinarily shaky premise, it's certainly relevant. If you chose to seize upon the latter despite not even believing it made a difference to the discussion, well, what exactly does that say about your partucipation? [/QUOTE]
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