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Message: <blockquote data-quote="woodelf" data-source="post: 3326064" data-attributes="member: 10201">Yep. Thing is, i can think of corner cases that eliminate (or mostly-eliminate) the game elements, and are still arguably RPGs--Baron Munchausen being one of best-known examples. I'm not sure it's an RPG, but i'm not sure it's not. I can't think of anything that eliminates the roleplaying elements, and which i've ever heard anyone argue is an RPG (setting aside people claiming that D&D is/isn't an RPG due to being "a tactical wargame with RPG trappings", or words to that effect). This makes me think that the RP part is more essential than the G part, because when you completely strip the latter out, some people still see it as the same, but, as near as i can tell, not when you completely strip the RP part out. Are small-scale systemless LARPs, with or without explicit victory conditions, RPGs? I'm not sure we can unequivocally say 'no', while i don't think it's a controversy saying that Monopoly isn't an RPG. For that matter, is Comedy Sports really not an RPG? In the broad sense, that includes such things as LARPs, as opposed to the narrow sense, where only tabletop pen&paper RPGs are being considered.[And, of course, i'm not talking about whether or not one can bring RPing to Monopoly--of course you can--just whether it's actually part of the game, as written.]</blockquote>