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<blockquote data-quote="Benjamin Olson" data-source="post: 8173787" data-attributes="member: 6988941">I think the basic problem for making a witch it 5e is that Warlock has mined a lot of the lore of witches (particularly the core warlock lore of a pact with the devil or whatever) but doesn't quite fulfill the promise of witchdom. It takes a specific pact boon/invocation combination just to get them ritually casting, which seems like the most basic qualifier to be a witch, and then they don't get access to Polymorph so they have to wait for True Polymorph at 17th level before they can do anything so fundamental to what I expect out of a witch as turning someone into a newt.Of course some people's ideas of witches run more druidy, Wizard's get the most ready access to familiars and extensive ritual casting, and Bards may well have the most witchy spell list.Which all serves to put them in a hazy and liminal enough space between classes that I'd say they should get their own class in the alternate universe version of 5e that has like 20 different classes.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Benjamin Olson, post: 8173787, member: 6988941"] I think the basic problem for making a witch it 5e is that Warlock has mined a lot of the lore of witches (particularly the core warlock lore of a pact with the devil or whatever) but doesn't quite fulfill the promise of witchdom. It takes a specific pact boon/invocation combination just to get them ritually casting, which seems like the most basic qualifier to be a witch, and then they don't get access to Polymorph so they have to wait for True Polymorph at 17th level before they can do anything so fundamental to what I expect out of a witch as turning someone into a newt. Of course some people's ideas of witches run more druidy, Wizard's get the most ready access to familiars and extensive ritual casting, and Bards may well have the most witchy spell list. Which all serves to put them in a hazy and liminal enough space between classes that I'd say they should get their own class in the alternate universe version of 5e that has like 20 different classes. [/QUOTE]

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