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<blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 7379332" data-attributes="member: 5142"><p>[MENTION=6716779]Zardnaar[/MENTION]: There is another factor that I would add to your list. 5E (and tabletop games, on the whole) have benefited tangentially from a reemergence of the boardgame hobby into the mainstream. Boardgames are cool now, and they are a considered a viable alternative to "going out" for a group of friends wanting to hang-out together. Tabletop RPGs, particularly D&D because of your aforementioned reasons, are generally regarded as extensions of boardgames in that they involve a group of friends playing a game in person around a table. I know many people who got into D&D 5e not through online streaming of D&D and the like, but, rather, through board game groups. This even includes boardgame-themed bars and the like that also began hosting tabletop RPGs. </p><p></p><p>I most definitely agree. IME, D&D (and many other tabletop RPGs) do a terrible job of explaining how they are played. It is difficult to get a sense for the game without seeing it played. </p><p></p><p>I think you are projecting your own wishes for PF2's failures more than anything else here. </p><p></p><p>I largely agree that PF2 will not be a 5e killer. But I admittedly don't want PF2 to kill 5e anymore than I wanted 5e to kill PF1. I'm sorry, but I find it mind-numbingly boring when one game dominates the market to such an extent. However, I do want healthy, vibrant alternatives to whatever is the market leader. That only benefits the hobby by pushing it forward in design innovations. In that regard, I do hope that PF2 does well because I do want a crunchier alternative to 5e. (Also I'm admittedly getting kinda of annoyed by the growing "5e can do no wrong" sentiment that pops up in a number of threads.) There is plenty of room available for both 5e and PF2, and I look forward to the success of these games. </p><p></p><p>I wouldn't be surprised though if Critical Role did not at least give Pathfinder 2 a shot. Matt Mercer is no idiot about the impact his show has on D&D, and given that CR started from Pathfinder, I do think that Paizo will likely make an appeal to Matt Mercer to give the system a trial run.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aldarc, post: 7379332, member: 5142"] [MENTION=6716779]Zardnaar[/MENTION]: There is another factor that I would add to your list. 5E (and tabletop games, on the whole) have benefited tangentially from a reemergence of the boardgame hobby into the mainstream. Boardgames are cool now, and they are a considered a viable alternative to "going out" for a group of friends wanting to hang-out together. Tabletop RPGs, particularly D&D because of your aforementioned reasons, are generally regarded as extensions of boardgames in that they involve a group of friends playing a game in person around a table. I know many people who got into D&D 5e not through online streaming of D&D and the like, but, rather, through board game groups. This even includes boardgame-themed bars and the like that also began hosting tabletop RPGs. I most definitely agree. IME, D&D (and many other tabletop RPGs) do a terrible job of explaining how they are played. It is difficult to get a sense for the game without seeing it played. I think you are projecting your own wishes for PF2's failures more than anything else here. I largely agree that PF2 will not be a 5e killer. But I admittedly don't want PF2 to kill 5e anymore than I wanted 5e to kill PF1. I'm sorry, but I find it mind-numbingly boring when one game dominates the market to such an extent. However, I do want healthy, vibrant alternatives to whatever is the market leader. That only benefits the hobby by pushing it forward in design innovations. In that regard, I do hope that PF2 does well because I do want a crunchier alternative to 5e. (Also I'm admittedly getting kinda of annoyed by the growing "5e can do no wrong" sentiment that pops up in a number of threads.) There is plenty of room available for both 5e and PF2, and I look forward to the success of these games. I wouldn't be surprised though if Critical Role did not at least give Pathfinder 2 a shot. Matt Mercer is no idiot about the impact his show has on D&D, and given that CR started from Pathfinder, I do think that Paizo will likely make an appeal to Matt Mercer to give the system a trial run. [/QUOTE]
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