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<blockquote data-quote="rounser" data-source="post: 457371" data-attributes="member: 1106">No, although I think you have a particular type of poster in mind when you wrote that. The blind spots of some of the 3E enthusiasts on this board rival those of the older edition trolls - especially the ones who don't recognise that D&amp;D's tropes, archetypes, norms, inspirational material, idea content and intellectual property are more important to the game than how you determine &quot;to hit&quot;.&nbsp; This kind of enthusiast ascribes too much weight to hard rules as definitive proof of the worth of the game, and not enough to the softer stuff that also makes D&amp;D D&amp;D...again, and again, and again.&nbsp; To read the posts of some on this board, you'd think that d20 might have succeeded to this degree in it's own right as a bland &quot;universal&quot; ruleset, rather than piggybacking D&amp;D all the way.&nbsp; On the topic of trolls, many a 3E enthusiast feels that they must show how much they dislike the past of the game in order to flagwave enough for the present edition - despite the fact that oD&amp;D, 1E and 2E provided the intellectual property grist for the mill of 3E, and some of the blind 3E enthusiasts cannot see that the idea/culture foundation of the game in beholders, vorpal swords, adventuring as a gameplay framework, fireballs, default D&amp;D setting assumptions, dungeon crawls etc. mean as much, if not more to D&amp;D than the much-ballyhooed universal resolution mechanic.&nbsp; There are plenty of games that can boast that...and only D&amp;D is D&amp;D.I get something out of D&amp;D's flavour, inspiration factor and archetypes just as I get something out of d20's mechanics, but&nbsp; I commonly see what I consider a skewed relative sense of worth between them - among enthusiasts from any edition.&nbsp; I don't see that as being trollish against the 3E status quo, but rather, playing devil's advocate in the face of a whole lot of groupthink.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="rounser, post: 457371, member: 1106"] No, although I think you have a particular type of poster in mind when you wrote that. The blind spots of some of the 3E enthusiasts on this board rival those of the older edition trolls - especially the ones who don't recognise that D&D's tropes, archetypes, norms, inspirational material, idea content and intellectual property are more important to the game than how you determine "to hit". This kind of enthusiast ascribes too much weight to hard rules as definitive proof of the worth of the game, and not enough to the softer stuff that also makes D&D [i]D&D[/i]...again, and again, and again. To read the posts of some on this board, you'd think that d20 might have succeeded to this degree in it's own right as a bland "universal" ruleset, rather than piggybacking D&D all the way. On the topic of trolls, many a 3E enthusiast feels that they must show how much they dislike the past of the game in order to flagwave enough for the present edition - despite the fact that oD&D, 1E and 2E provided the intellectual property grist for the mill of 3E, and some of the blind 3E enthusiasts cannot see that the idea/culture foundation of the game in beholders, vorpal swords, adventuring as a gameplay framework, [i]fireballs[/i], default D&D setting assumptions, dungeon crawls etc. mean as much, if not more to D&D than the much-ballyhooed universal resolution mechanic. There are plenty of games that can boast that...and only D&D is D&D. I get something out of D&D's flavour, inspiration factor and archetypes just as I get something out of d20's mechanics, but I commonly see what I consider a skewed relative sense of worth between them - among enthusiasts from any edition. I don't see that as being trollish against the 3E status quo, but rather, playing devil's advocate in the face of a whole lot of groupthink. [/QUOTE]

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