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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Grumpy Celt" data-source="post: 3922913" data-attributes="member: 1019">A) I do find games that include social change to be interesting, even potentially more interesting than simply killing everything in sight and taking their stuff.B) I think as a people and as a society we possess a fetish about killing, rapists, theft and destruction. We lionize the killers, rapists, thieves and destroyers. We pour contempt down (some times in subtly ways, some times not) on the healers, the helpers, the givers and the builders. We day dream about inflicting harm on any one or anything we can and call it good while deriding the hopeful as childish, or being boring which is now the ultimate and finally unforgivable sin.Thank you for responding, Mr. Skemp. I have admired your work and the work of White Wolf for many years. Also, your response seems to be the best thought out and most reasonable response. But I doubt it reflects most DMs SOP. In my experience, many DMs want the players to simply chase their own ails for ever and ever.</blockquote>