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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 9288634" data-attributes="member: 177">Something in-between.&nbsp; Specifically, In the end, you're going to have to use the mechanic, but any roleplaying done before the roll can and will be used to determine modifiers on the roll.I am also pretty permissive in allowing substitutions on the stat that's used on the roll.&nbsp; While Charisma will always work, if you are in that courtroom and present a case based in evidence and logic, I will likely allow you to make that Persuasion check with Intelligence as the underlying stat, and so on.I have become less and less a fan of &quot;Face&quot; as a role.&nbsp; It acts as a strong disincentive for others to engage in large parts of the game.&nbsp; Unless the players actually prefer to not engage, I'd prefer there not be a single &quot;face&quot;. I'm playing in a game right now in which we have no single face character.&nbsp; I've got a wizard with a decent charisma, but he's only proficient in Deception.&nbsp; He's a great liar, but if you ask him to convince someone with the truth?&nbsp; Not so hot.In some Fate variants, a character has Physical, Mental, and Social stress tracks, and rules for social combat are entirely analogous to those of physical combat.&nbsp; You can, in effect, be &quot;killed&quot; in a social arena - the public's perception of a character, and their social status, so damaged that they are no longer viable in play.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 9288634, member: 177"] Something in-between. Specifically, In the end, you're going to have to use the mechanic, but any roleplaying done before the roll can and will be used to determine modifiers on the roll. I am also pretty permissive in allowing substitutions on the stat that's used on the roll. While Charisma will always work, if you are in that courtroom and present a case based in evidence and logic, I will likely allow you to make that Persuasion check with Intelligence as the underlying stat, and so on. I have become less and less a fan of "Face" as a role. It acts as a strong disincentive for others to engage in large parts of the game. Unless the players actually [I]prefer[/I] to not engage, I'd prefer there not be a single "face". I'm playing in a game right now in which we have no single face character. I've got a wizard with a decent charisma, but he's only proficient in Deception. He's a great liar, but if you ask him to convince someone with the truth? Not so hot. In some Fate variants, a character has Physical, Mental, and Social stress tracks, and rules for social combat are entirely analogous to those of physical combat. You can, in effect, be "killed" in a social arena - the public's perception of a character, and their social status, so damaged that they are no longer viable in play. [/QUOTE]

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