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Message: <blockquote data-quote="M_Natas" data-source="post: 9290100" data-attributes="member: 7025918">I mean, what is 5e RAW?The players play out or describe an approach of their character ("I want a lower price" or "My character tries to ask for a discount by being nice"), the DM decides if there is a chance of failure or success, if there is, he let's the player make a Charisma (Persuasion)-check against an appropriate DC based on the disposition of the NPC towards the Characters and the approach taken and then narrates the results based on the Dice Roll (if that was needed).That is how the social pillar of 5e is supposed to work. A mixture of freeform play and mechanics. The DMG has an optional DM facing system that can help him adjudicate more granular.And so far I haven't seen a proposed mechanic that would improve that.I read the Pathefinder 2e mechanic right now and think, the DM facing side could help a DM and could be better substitute for the DM facing rules in the 5e DMG, but we'd mean a lot more work to create the social stat block ... but the player facing part with the 15 minute rounds, one action per round and especially the discover action seems... strange to me. Maybe the example given in the 2E rules (discussing rent with the landlord) is just bad but I don't really see a benefit to formalise the encounter in such a way for the players. It also feels unrealistic, that the whole party engages in a discussion with landlord about the rent.</blockquote>