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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jacen" data-source="post: 2189700" data-attributes="member: 18654">I don't want to criticize your DM:ing. It is definetly is better than mine, but you (and many others) just have some points that I don't understand or don't like. So it is not meant personaly, just trying to critizise someting so that I get an explonation and might even learn something new =).My bad. But if players need some hint or reason to suspect, are they always given one?  Wasn't sense motive oppossed to bluff? Thus let them roll as much as they like. No bluf no benefit or something. I understand the reason for giving bonus from being in character, but if that is cross class skill two points means 4 points used. If fighter with int 14 that is all skill points from one level. That is quite much.No and yes. I most likely would give some tips should the PC have the knowledge. It IS up to players but I hate if situations goes bad because I coldn't speak good enough in character despite spending whole a lot of points to specific skill. My best diplomatic might be offending (and giving minuses) in DM's mind....That is the reason I like to play with ppl who plays and interacts acording to die results. I know that it is possible to roll too much, but still I found it disturbing that someone who puts points to skills he uses might "lose" levels worth of points compared to someone who is always full of ideas and charisma. If he is getting much bonuses it can but some bitterness between players. There has been a game where I put skill points to some obscure skill (don't remember the details, to many years passed) and because of custom gaming world that was needed. Well there were player who had real life information about things related to that. You can guess that I felt points wasted. And that being group of friends - well the game is not that important that I would start whining and in worst case messing with RL friendships. That is reason why good gaming grop is worth of its weigth in gold. =) So a group who does speak in character (even they know they get no bunises), tries to play PC without metagaming is something I have in mind - might be just a dream.Well best thing for me to do would be to start DM and get some personal experience about how different things works. But it is always the time I am lacking. So many things to do. But I have to say that this thread has given something to think. What I was thinking (rolling, playing, rolling) is good in my mind but it can easily be taken into extreme. Extreme ends are never good, so DM has to balance between ends. That takes time and experience because each group is different.Untill I get some some gaming experience saying otherwise I still would give hidden roll for sense motive without asking <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  If I would know that DM doesn't use my PC's skills automaticly I would be talling all time "I sense motive, Diplomacy etc"</blockquote>

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