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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SnowDog" data-source="post: 1066452" data-attributes="member: 2225">Social skills are only half of the problem.  What about the high-WIS cleric whose player is wishy-washy?  The high-INT wizard whose player can't think his way out of a paper bag?In my game, I try to be lenient about people playing one way or the other when it comes to their mental stats.  When it comes down to it, though, it's not fair to have the skills and stick points in them if they aren't going to be as important, say, as Disable Device or Cleave.  You can't just "describe how you fight" really well and not have to roll your to-hit <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.So, I do what a lot of GMs do.  We roleplay the situation, and I ask for rolls.  I then retroactively adjust what is happening based on the rolls.Player: insert wonderfully convincing spiel about why PCs should be allowed past guardDM: "Roll your diplomacy."Player: "Hrm, 6, including modifiers."DM: "Ok, well, with that, basically you aren't getting anywhere.  You have this great solution worked out, and while it sounds totally convincing when you start, you realize you must have said something wrong as the guard is completely not buying your story.  You'll have to try something else."DM: Insert guard acting all mean and stuff <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />(Extra credit to the Player if he says, "Yeah, maybe when I went to tell him how he would be seen as helpful in the eyes of his commander, I completely mess that up, and it makes it sound like I'm threatening to report him to his commander, and he gets all defensive."  Now that, I like.)As for PC-to-PCinteractions, I have yet to encounter a situation where a player is trying to be hostile with these skills.  I've had to deal with bluff checks for white lies, with sense motive to determine if one character can pick up on another one's mood changes, etc.  Basically these act as aids for RP within the party, because I never want to stifle RP within the party.So far, I have yet to have a real complaint about how it works.  I think we all just know it's an imperfect system and we deal with it the best we can.</blockquote>

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