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<blockquote data-quote="Belen" data-source="post: 1066851" data-attributes="member: 1405">The problem is that your class should not force you into a social role.&nbsp; Why does a Bard or Rogue have to be the face man?&nbsp; A great performer need not be great as dealing with people.&nbsp; Look at all the stage actors that come off as jerks off the stage or screen.One issue is that sometimes a Bard or Rogue is forced to be the social person when no other character class can substitute because they just cannot get the skills there.Hmm...maybe the social skills can become class skills with a minimum charisma score.&nbsp; Or!One social skill becomes a class skill for every Cha. modifier.&nbsp; Thus a fighter with a charisma of 14 could have diplomacy and bluff.&nbsp; This way, it is not a dump stat.&nbsp; You have to be charismatic to use them, and it does not invalidate character concepts!Rogues and bards would still be better because they retain the social skills as class skills no matter what!Dave</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Belen, post: 1066851, member: 1405"] The problem is that your class should not force you into a social role. Why does a Bard or Rogue have to be the face man? A great performer need not be great as dealing with people. Look at all the stage actors that come off as jerks off the stage or screen. One issue is that sometimes a Bard or Rogue is forced to be the social person when no other character class can substitute because they just cannot get the skills there. Hmm...maybe the social skills can become class skills with a minimum charisma score. Or! One social skill becomes a class skill for every Cha. modifier. Thus a fighter with a charisma of 14 could have diplomacy and bluff. This way, it is not a dump stat. You have to be charismatic to use them, and it does not invalidate character concepts! Rogues and bards would still be better because they retain the social skills as class skills no matter what! Dave [/QUOTE]

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