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<blockquote data-quote="Eric Tolle" data-source="post: 5809904" data-attributes="member: 53859"><p>That's a rather circular assumption- and one in which I haven't seen much direct evidence for.</p><p></p><p></p><p>There's an assumption there that all speech is the same, and therefore no skill is involved. The members of Toastmasters would beg to differ.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The version before or after thieves? And in the latter, would you allow a fighter to be better at opening locks than a thief, our a mage to be better at bending bars based on his ability to describe the action?</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Nonsense! I've been to any number of live-action events where sword-fighting has been done. Likewise magic has been performed by people accruing it out. Perhaps you lack martial ability, but that's no excuse-simply play a non-combatant.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So are you saying there should be no skills for such? Or are you proofing that people who spend skill points on those skills can be trumped by people who simply talk a better game?</p><p></p><p></p><p>So you don't believe things such as oratory, debate, negotiation or social skills are trainable abilities. That explains a lot.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If the game has a unified skill system, that player would probably be having problems with the system as a whole. In which case the player can probably ask for help from the referee or other players without disrupting the flow of the game. Do you allow such in a "just talking"?</p><p></p><p>Which brings up a different problem; just taking is completely left to the whim of the referee as to whether the attempt works. I prefer rules-based backing on social tasks to hoping that the referee liked the pizza I fed him before my attempt.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eric Tolle, post: 5809904, member: 53859"] That's a rather circular assumption- and one in which I haven't seen much direct evidence for. There's an assumption there that all speech is the same, and therefore no skill is involved. The members of Toastmasters would beg to differ. The version before or after thieves? And in the latter, would you allow a fighter to be better at opening locks than a thief, our a mage to be better at bending bars based on his ability to describe the action? Nonsense! I've been to any number of live-action events where sword-fighting has been done. Likewise magic has been performed by people accruing it out. Perhaps you lack martial ability, but that's no excuse-simply play a non-combatant. So are you saying there should be no skills for such? Or are you proofing that people who spend skill points on those skills can be trumped by people who simply talk a better game? So you don't believe things such as oratory, debate, negotiation or social skills are trainable abilities. That explains a lot. If the game has a unified skill system, that player would probably be having problems with the system as a whole. In which case the player can probably ask for help from the referee or other players without disrupting the flow of the game. Do you allow such in a "just talking"? Which brings up a different problem; just taking is completely left to the whim of the referee as to whether the attempt works. I prefer rules-based backing on social tasks to hoping that the referee liked the pizza I fed him before my attempt. [/QUOTE]
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