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<blockquote data-quote="billd91" data-source="post: 7487131" data-attributes="member: 3400"><p>I disagree that the player is in the right, particularly if their check to examine the statue wasn't high enough to detect the contact poison. The skill checks/stat checks that govern this sort of thing should be considered encompassing enough and flexible enough to avoid the annoyance of pixel bitching that "how do you investigate it/are you touching it" represents. A sufficient check, whether it's search in 3.5 or intelligence (investigation) in 5e or whatever, should detect the contact poison and save the PC from touching it. An insufficient one should not unless the player thinks to mention they're just visually examining the statue beforehand - and then they shouldn't get their full bonus on the search since they are deliberately restricting their full searching/investigating capabilities.</p><p></p><p>I don't have a lot of patience for players who want to search everything with a skill check and yet still be protected from the negative consequences of doing so if they do poorly. You either do the pixel bitching (which will strain both of our patience in the long run) or you will accept the negative consequences of making a broader skill check and pay the price of doing poorly at it/reap the benefits of doing well. All that said, I am quite happy to make the searching easier on players who make good, specific choices in their searches based on good understandings of genre tropes and narrative flow.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="billd91, post: 7487131, member: 3400"] I disagree that the player is in the right, particularly if their check to examine the statue wasn't high enough to detect the contact poison. The skill checks/stat checks that govern this sort of thing should be considered encompassing enough and flexible enough to avoid the annoyance of pixel bitching that "how do you investigate it/are you touching it" represents. A sufficient check, whether it's search in 3.5 or intelligence (investigation) in 5e or whatever, should detect the contact poison and save the PC from touching it. An insufficient one should not unless the player thinks to mention they're just visually examining the statue beforehand - and then they shouldn't get their full bonus on the search since they are deliberately restricting their full searching/investigating capabilities. I don't have a lot of patience for players who want to search everything with a skill check and yet still be protected from the negative consequences of doing so if they do poorly. You either do the pixel bitching (which will strain both of our patience in the long run) or you will accept the negative consequences of making a broader skill check and pay the price of doing poorly at it/reap the benefits of doing well. All that said, I am quite happy to make the searching easier on players who make good, specific choices in their searches based on good understandings of genre tropes and narrative flow. [/QUOTE]
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