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<blockquote data-quote="Urbannen" data-source="post: 403498" data-attributes="member: 7643">Mkletch, I totally agree:&nbsp; Lawful has too many possible definitions.&nbsp; They should either do away with it, or rigidly define it in a way that makes sense universally.&nbsp;This all depends on how you define the terms &quot;Lawful&quot; and &quot;Chaotic&quot;.&nbsp; As for Italy, I would classify the Southern part of it as a second world nation.&nbsp; As for France, I have lived there, and a more Lawful nation state I cannot imagine.&nbsp; It has an aggressively centralized government.&nbsp; It is an incredibly bureaucratic society.&nbsp; French people talk about revolting and sometimes do put on little shows of demonstrating, but that doesn't stop them from towing the line in a society that is far more rigid than the United States', where I live.&nbsp; As for the national &quot;character&quot; of the French people, well, you might characterize it as neutral with chaotic tendencies.&nbsp; Why not?&nbsp; The only consistent way that the Lawful/Chaotic alignments in D&amp;D are used anyway is to describe personality types.&nbsp; England is very definitely Lawful.&nbsp; The United States is also very Lawful - trying driving here as opposed to in any second-world nation if you don't believe me.&nbsp; I had never even seen a car accident happen until I went to Mexico at age 23, where I saw three in a six week period.&nbsp; This was in the &quot;hinterlands&quot; of Jalisco as well.&nbsp; Perhaps it was explained by a Mexican woman I knew whose father had simply bought her a driver's license when she was 13 years old.&nbsp; After saying all this, the debate can be summed up simply:&nbsp; What defines Law?&nbsp; What defines Chaos?&nbsp; Each poster's response tries to answer this question.&nbsp; Each has his or her own idea.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Urbannen, post: 403498, member: 7643"] Mkletch, I totally agree: Lawful has too many possible definitions. They should either do away with it, or rigidly define it in a way that makes sense universally. This all depends on how you define the terms "Lawful" and "Chaotic". As for Italy, I would classify the Southern part of it as a second world nation. As for France, I have lived there, and a more Lawful nation state I cannot imagine. It has an aggressively centralized government. It is an incredibly bureaucratic society. French people talk about revolting and sometimes do put on little shows of demonstrating, but that doesn't stop them from towing the line in a society that is far more rigid than the United States', where I live. As for the national "character" of the French people, well, you might characterize it as neutral with chaotic tendencies. Why not? The only consistent way that the Lawful/Chaotic alignments in D&D are used anyway is to describe personality types. England is very definitely Lawful. The United States is also very Lawful - trying driving here as opposed to in any second-world nation if you don't believe me. I had never even seen a car accident happen until I went to Mexico at age 23, where I saw three in a six week period. This was in the "hinterlands" of Jalisco as well. Perhaps it was explained by a Mexican woman I knew whose father had simply bought her a driver's license when she was 13 years old. After saying all this, the debate can be summed up simply: What defines Law? What defines Chaos? Each poster's response tries to answer this question. Each has his or her own idea. [/QUOTE]

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