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<blockquote data-quote="Chrisling" data-source="post: 404187" data-attributes="member: 6816">I think I'm with Umbran.&nbsp; Could you imagine the furor if the D&amp;D3 guys said, &quot;OK, we're going to include these really detailed definitions of good and evil that we'll foist off as being eternal and immutable&quot;?&nbsp; They'd've been guaranteed to offend huge segments of the gaming population, and needlessly.I think the real thing I've learned from this thread is that alignment is mostly game specific.&nbsp; Like, for my game, I think I am going to go with the the degree of lawfulness of a society determined by the ease of social mobility.&nbsp; Sure, it's shorthand, but I can make it work *for my game*.&nbsp; Another person might define lawfulness as rigid adherence to tradition, even if it allowed for tremendous social mobility, or even producted a chaotic seeming society.&nbsp; A third person might say lawfulness was following one set of eternally present moral laws.&nbsp; Who's right?&nbsp; Well, we can all be right, in the context of particular games.I shudder to think the flame wars that would be sparked about a book that claimed to know what was really good and evil.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Normally, these alignment issues aren't that big a deal in my game, but I've chosen to do Planescape so all these people will be running around the planes and I'll want to be consistent in my portrayal of them.&nbsp; ;p</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chrisling, post: 404187, member: 6816"] I think I'm with Umbran. Could you imagine the furor if the D&D3 guys said, "OK, we're going to include these really detailed definitions of good and evil that we'll foist off as being eternal and immutable"? They'd've been guaranteed to offend huge segments of the gaming population, and needlessly. I think the real thing I've learned from this thread is that alignment is mostly game specific. Like, for my game, I think I am going to go with the the degree of lawfulness of a society determined by the ease of social mobility. Sure, it's shorthand, but I can make it work *for my game*. Another person might define lawfulness as rigid adherence to tradition, even if it allowed for tremendous social mobility, or even producted a chaotic seeming society. A third person might say lawfulness was following one set of eternally present moral laws. Who's right? Well, we can all be right, in the context of particular games. I shudder to think the flame wars that would be sparked about a book that claimed to know what was really good and evil. ;) Normally, these alignment issues aren't that big a deal in my game, but I've chosen to do Planescape so all these people will be running around the planes and I'll want to be consistent in my portrayal of them. ;p [/QUOTE]

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