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<blockquote data-quote="Urbannen" data-source="post: 405048" data-attributes="member: 7643">In response to Herald:I think you meant &quot;more LE than CE.&quot;&nbsp; I agree, if Law is defined as &quot;organized&quot;, and Evil is defined as &quot;bad.&quot;&nbsp; Crime is bad, when it's in a syndicate it's organized, thus LE.&nbsp; Here you're saying that Lawfuls happen to be in a group that works towards a common goal they share.&nbsp; Chaotics belong to groups as need be.&nbsp; These are essentially the same thing.&nbsp; Really, Lawfuls (as used in D&amp;D) do what they have to for the group, regardless of whether that group helps their individual goals or not.&nbsp; Canis, in your last post, you are defining the L-C axis pretty much as used in D&amp;D - Lawfuls are interested in groups (i.e. society), Chaotics in individuals.&nbsp; Like I said, I think this definition works well with the spirit of D&amp;D published materials.&nbsp; I would hesitate to associate this trait with morality, however, as the PHB does. (Side note: I have posted a lot on another board, but the people on this board are, like, how do I say?&nbsp; Much smarter?)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Urbannen, post: 405048, member: 7643"] In response to Herald: I think you meant "more LE [i]than[/i] CE." I agree, if Law is defined as "organized", and Evil is defined as "bad." Crime is bad, when it's in a syndicate it's organized, thus LE. Here you're saying that Lawfuls happen to be in a group that works towards a common goal they share. Chaotics belong to groups as need be. These are essentially the same thing. Really, Lawfuls (as used in D&D) do what they have to for the group, regardless of whether that group helps their individual goals or not. Canis, in your last post, you are defining the L-C axis pretty much as used in D&D - Lawfuls are interested in groups (i.e. society), Chaotics in individuals. Like I said, I think this definition works well with the spirit of D&D published materials. I would hesitate to associate this trait with morality, however, as the PHB does. (Side note: I have posted a lot on another board, but the people on this board are, like, how do I say? Much smarter?) [/QUOTE]

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