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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wolfen Priest" data-source="post: 405092" data-attributes="member: 3909">Growing up in a Catholic parish, and going to Catholic school for 10.5 years, I can attest to this truth.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  But I think what makes it more lawful than anything else is the fact that there is this huge Singular Hierarchy, the likes of which no other religion has.  In fact, one of my biggest problems with the Catholic church is that so many people in it cry out that if you disagree with anything the hierarchy proclaims(or sometimes anything that they themselves proclaim), you are simply not Catholic; basically a modern form of excommunication.As to the argument of law vs. chaos being roughly equivalent to group vs. individual, I really haven't seen any strong argument here to the contrary, and it seems the most sound (and least confusing!) one presented in this thread.Adam Smith's theories (not that I'm intimately familiar with them) might embrace individualism (i.e. chaos) as a means to a communal (i.e. lawful) end, but I don't see why that changes anything in regards to the approximation that {law = group & chaos = individual}.  For all intents and purposes, Adam Smith might have been basically selfish and uncaring of others, but not to the extent of being cruel or heartless (thus making him neutral along the G-E axis); it would seem, irregardless of whether the previous is true, that he could well be neutral along the L-C axis, which is what I would assume to be the case baed on the presented evidence.Whether or not he, (A.) in his theorizing, was simply justifying an individualistic/selfish (for lack of a better term) outlook by making the claim that such actions benefit society as a whole, OR (B.) in his quest to benefit society as much as possible, he just stumbled upon or deduced this theory that selfishness (or individuality) does indeed benefit society, it seems that he ultimately resides in the middle of said axis, a.k.a. neutral.In other words, I don't see how, even assuming his theory is "truth," it changes the idea that law = group & chaos = individual. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  Hope that makes sense.</blockquote>

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