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<blockquote data-quote="MavrickWeirdo" data-source="post: 407723" data-attributes="member: 107">I've only been able to read about half of the posts in this thread, but I think I have a different angle. The difference between Law and Chaos is RESPONSIBILITY.What do I mean by that. A lawfull person is responsibe to others and accept (or even looks for) new responsibilities. Responsible to family, business associates, deity, community, or nation. The more responsibilites you accept the more &quot;Lawful&quot; you are. A Lawfull society is one which is responsible to it's members, or where all it's members are responsible to each other.A chaotic person avoids responsibility or is irresponsible. They don't make commitments, or don't keep them. The are responsible to no-one but themself, and sometimes not even themselves. A chaotic society is where people try to get more than they give.A Lawfull Good character would save a group of children from goblins and escort them back to safety.A Chaotic Good character would save a group of children from goblins and tell them the village is out of my way so I can't go with you, but if you hurry you might make it there before dark.A Lawfull Evil character would consider who would pay him more the children or the goblins, but would keep any deal he made.To answer the origional question of &quot;Can you have a Lawful/Clan based culture?&quot; My historical canidate would be the Jewish people. Strong family/racial orientation, sometimes nomadic (usually through nessity not choice), yet a sophisticated culture with high standards of responsibility.My historical canidate for a Chaotic/Empire would be late 18th-early 19th century France. You have a succession of rulers who placed their own wellbeing ahead of the wellbeing of the country. Occasionally what was &quot;good for the ruler&quot; was also &quot;good for the people&quot;, but most of the time it wasn't.United States might be a Chaotic Good culture, where many people try to help others, but no one is responsible.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MavrickWeirdo, post: 407723, member: 107"] I've only been able to read about half of the posts in this thread, but I think I have a different angle. The difference between Law and Chaos is RESPONSIBILITY. What do I mean by that. A lawfull person is responsibe to others and accept (or even looks for) new responsibilities. Responsible to family, business associates, deity, community, or nation. The more responsibilites you accept the more "Lawful" you are. A Lawfull society is one which is responsible to it's members, or where all it's members are responsible to each other. A chaotic person avoids responsibility or is irresponsible. They don't make commitments, or don't keep them. The are responsible to no-one but themself, and sometimes not even themselves. A chaotic society is where people try to get more than they give. A Lawfull Good character would save a group of children from goblins and escort them back to safety. A Chaotic Good character would save a group of children from goblins and tell them the village is out of my way so I can't go with you, but if you hurry you might make it there before dark. A Lawfull Evil character would consider who would pay him more the children or the goblins, but would keep any deal he made. To answer the origional question of "Can you have a Lawful/Clan based culture?" My historical canidate would be the Jewish people. Strong family/racial orientation, sometimes nomadic (usually through nessity not choice), yet a sophisticated culture with high standards of responsibility. My historical canidate for a Chaotic/Empire would be late 18th-early 19th century France. You have a succession of rulers who placed their own wellbeing ahead of the wellbeing of the country. Occasionally what was "good for the ruler" was also "good for the people", but most of the time it wasn't. United States might be a Chaotic Good culture, where many people try to help others, but no one is responsible. [/QUOTE]

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