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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 6151570" data-attributes="member: 6669384">You keep equating the bead froma Fireball to a &quot;ray and other&quot;.&nbsp; I'm not sure how the physical manifestation of a spell equates to a magical ray, but hey, that's why there are DMs.Danny suggests that hitting the spell at speed should cause some damage.&nbsp; The spell actually does the opposite, cushioning a high speed impact (see the rules for falling through one.)From that I could see an argument against it detonating the bead.&nbsp; It definitely *is* a magical barrier.&nbsp; We just aren't agreed on whether it's &quot;solid&quot; enough to detonate the bead.&nbsp; Would let the bead detonate if it hit a pillow, or a pile of feathers?You suggested that it would allow an Acid Arrow through.&nbsp; That's a hard one.&nbsp; It isn't a &quot;ray&quot; type spell, though it is a ranged touch attack.&nbsp; It takes the form of an arrow, which Solid Fog explicitly stops, but it doesn't work according to any of the normal rules for arrows.If this was a Supers game of some sort we'd be arguing how relevant &quot;Special Effect&quot; is to the way a power functions.&nbsp; Acid Arrow is a ranged acid attack, with the special effect of looking like an arrow.&nbsp; If it actually used an arrow, or left the remains of one behind, the answer would be easy.&nbsp; I thing the RTA tips the balance in favor of being in the &quot;and the like&quot; portion of &quot;Rays, and the like.&quot;Here's a related question:&nbsp; How would you handle a Fireball targeted inside a Web spell?&nbsp; Thread it to target?&nbsp; (i.e roll an attack to slip it through.) Pass through unimpeded?&nbsp; Detonate on impact?&nbsp; If there's an attack roll to thread it through the web, how would you set the AC to hit?&nbsp; Normally it would be AC 10, adjusted for size and distance.&nbsp; (Which brings up the other question, what is the range increment for a Fireball bead?&nbsp; Can you thread an arrow slit 520 feet away as easily as you can 20 feet away? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> )&nbsp; But with a Web there is no clear size for the target space.&nbsp;As a note to DannyAlcatraz:&nbsp; I thought about equating Solid Fog to a liquid, but came to the same conclusion you did:&nbsp; Hit water at high speed and it hits back.&nbsp; Hit this stuff at high speed and it cuchions the fall.&nbsp; So it isn't a liquid.&nbsp; It also isn't a Web spell.As a note:&nbsp; No rancor here.&nbsp; This exchange is, and should be, a light discussion of the rules, one of those where I'm not sure there actually is a definitive &quot;right&quot; or &quot;wrong&quot; answer.&nbsp; It's just fun to toss ideas around.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 6151570, member: 6669384"] You keep equating the bead froma [I]Fireball[/I] to a "ray and other". I'm not sure how the physical manifestation of a spell equates to a magical ray, but hey, that's why there are DMs. Danny suggests that hitting the spell at speed should cause some damage. The spell actually does the opposite, cushioning a high speed impact (see the rules for falling through one.) From that I could see an argument against it detonating the bead. It definitely *is* a magical barrier. We just aren't agreed on whether it's "solid" enough to detonate the bead. Would let the bead detonate if it hit a pillow, or a pile of feathers? You suggested that it would allow an [I]Acid Arrow[/I] through. That's a hard one. It isn't a "ray" type spell, though it is a ranged touch attack. It takes the form of an arrow, which [I]Solid Fog[/I] explicitly stops, but it doesn't work according to any of the normal rules for arrows. If this was a Supers game of some sort we'd be arguing how relevant "Special Effect" is to the way a power functions. [I]Acid Arrow[/I] is a ranged acid attack, with the special effect of looking like an arrow. If it actually used an arrow, or left the remains of one behind, the answer would be easy. I thing the RTA tips the balance in favor of being in the "and the like" portion of "Rays, and the like." Here's a related question: How would you handle a [I]Fireball[/I] targeted inside a [I]Web[/I] spell? Thread it to target? (i.e roll an attack to slip it through.) Pass through unimpeded? Detonate on impact? If there's an attack roll to thread it through the web, how would you set the AC to hit? Normally it would be AC 10, adjusted for size and distance. (Which brings up the other question, what is the range increment for a [I]Fireball[/I] bead? Can you thread an arrow slit 520 feet away as easily as you can 20 feet away? :) ) But with a [I]Web[/I] there is no clear size for the target space. As a note to DannyAlcatraz: I thought about equating [I]Solid Fog[/I] to a liquid, but came to the same conclusion you did: Hit water at high speed and it hits back. Hit this stuff at high speed and it cuchions the fall. So it isn't a liquid. It also isn't a [I]Web[/I] spell. As a note: No rancor here. This exchange is, and should be, a light discussion of the rules, one of those where I'm not sure there actually is a definitive "right" or "wrong" answer. It's just fun to toss ideas around. [/QUOTE]

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