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<blockquote data-quote="Mallus" data-source="post: 7437705" data-attributes="member: 3887"><p>The juxtaposition of these two sentences is hilarious. Was that intentional? </p><p></p><p>Also, the problem isn't just that people have low standards It's that there's often broad disagreement over what the standards <em>are</em>. Obvious point is obvious (obvs).</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is a really odd point to make in a conversation presumably with genre fans. By definition, fans of a given genre want familiar elements - because that's what genres <em>are</em>. Collections of plots, themes, stock characters, and common elements shared between works that get that place them in the same general category. Which makes discussion the <em>unfamiliar</em> and the <em>innovative</em> vis a vis genre media something that requires a bit of nuance (and less 'implied sheeple' argumentation). </p><p></p><p></p><p>See above re: less implied sheeple rhetoric. </p><p></p><p></p><p>See now I disagree (oh so many different standards!). Of the 4 contemporary Star Wars films, 2 are excellent, 1 is very good, and 1 is good, despite a troubled production. For starters, The Last Jedi is absolutely gorgeous in places, and -- at least for middle-aged me -- surprisingly emotionally resonant (the sad Luke parts). </p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreement over said measurements, however...</p><p></p><p>Seriously though, can you list a few films you consider to be 'quality'? Without an example of your baseline, this is just "You have bad taste! Do not! Do too!"</p><p></p><p></p><p>This could be the start of a beautiful... I mean, good point. </p><p></p><p></p><p>But this kinda wrecks it. Art that provokes an emotional response is art that works. Especially one that endures over time. I know what your saying: people's emotional attachment to a given work/franchise/whatever clouds their more intellectual assessment of it. But that elides how those attachments form in the first place, the validity of those reactions, and how easy it is for intellectual assessments of art to eclipse more honest responses. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Begging the question, you are. A good film critic does not this thing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mallus, post: 7437705, member: 3887"] The juxtaposition of these two sentences is hilarious. Was that intentional? Also, the problem isn't just that people have low standards It's that there's often broad disagreement over what the standards [i]are[/i]. Obvious point is obvious (obvs). This is a really odd point to make in a conversation presumably with genre fans. By definition, fans of a given genre want familiar elements - because that's what genres [i]are[/i]. Collections of plots, themes, stock characters, and common elements shared between works that get that place them in the same general category. Which makes discussion the [i]unfamiliar[/i] and the [i]innovative[/i] vis a vis genre media something that requires a bit of nuance (and less 'implied sheeple' argumentation). See above re: less implied sheeple rhetoric. See now I disagree (oh so many different standards!). Of the 4 contemporary Star Wars films, 2 are excellent, 1 is very good, and 1 is good, despite a troubled production. For starters, The Last Jedi is absolutely gorgeous in places, and -- at least for middle-aged me -- surprisingly emotionally resonant (the sad Luke parts). Agreement over said measurements, however... Seriously though, can you list a few films you consider to be 'quality'? Without an example of your baseline, this is just "You have bad taste! Do not! Do too!" This could be the start of a beautiful... I mean, good point. But this kinda wrecks it. Art that provokes an emotional response is art that works. Especially one that endures over time. I know what your saying: people's emotional attachment to a given work/franchise/whatever clouds their more intellectual assessment of it. But that elides how those attachments form in the first place, the validity of those reactions, and how easy it is for intellectual assessments of art to eclipse more honest responses. Begging the question, you are. A good film critic does not this thing. [/QUOTE]
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