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<blockquote data-quote="fuindordm" data-source="post: 7251944" data-attributes="member: 5435">It definitely works, but it also removes some sense of agency. When the party is being stalked by monsters, stealth vs passive perception feels fair.&nbsp; When the party is ambushed by a trap, it seems less fair.&nbsp; There's also the question of what happens after the first trap hits them and they start actively searching--do you still roll for the trap, but increase the DCs by 5? How does the rogue's expertise fit in?An alternative used by my DM is to prepare a randomized list of 1-20 before each session. The players still roll, but in cses where they shouldn't know how close they are to success then the DM uses the list as a lookup table. Then modifiers and advantage can be applied transparently. For example:PC: &quot;I search for traps. Ability X gives me advantage. I roll 12 and 18, my modifier is +5.&quot;DM: (checks table on screen)20 -&gt; 519 -&gt; 1218 -&gt; 1717 -&gt; 316 -&gt; 1015 -&gt; 814 -&gt; 1413 -&gt; 112 -&gt; 15etc...The player's rolls translate to 15 and 18, +5, so the result is 23. The DM doesn't tell the player the rolls, but announces that they found a trap.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="fuindordm, post: 7251944, member: 5435"] It definitely works, but it also removes some sense of agency. When the party is being stalked by monsters, stealth vs passive perception feels fair. When the party is ambushed by a trap, it seems less fair. There's also the question of what happens after the first trap hits them and they start actively searching--do you still roll for the trap, but increase the DCs by 5? How does the rogue's expertise fit in? An alternative used by my DM is to prepare a randomized list of 1-20 before each session. The players still roll, but in cses where they shouldn't know how close they are to success then the DM uses the list as a lookup table. Then modifiers and advantage can be applied transparently. For example: PC: "I search for traps. Ability X gives me advantage. I roll 12 and 18, my modifier is +5." DM: (checks table on screen) 20 -> 5 19 -> 12 18 -> 17 17 -> 3 16 -> 10 15 -> 8 14 -> 14 13 -> 1 12 -> 15 etc... The player's rolls translate to 15 and 18, +5, so the result is 23. The DM doesn't tell the player the rolls, but announces that they found a trap. [/QUOTE]

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