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<blockquote data-quote="GVDammerung" data-source="post: 2691709" data-attributes="member: 33060">I disagree.&nbsp; 4e need not be that different from 3X to be successful.&nbsp; A number of other RPGs put out new editions that only tweak the basic rules and are still deemed successful.&nbsp; CoC.&nbsp; Hero System.&nbsp; These come to mind.&nbsp; GURPS? Ars Magica?&nbsp; Warhammer?&nbsp; I'm not sure there but my sense is they are more &quot;same&quot; than radically &quot;different.&quot;&nbsp; The new Vampire seems to strike a nice balance between tweak and &quot;different.&quot;Play-aids might well help to &quot;distinguish&quot; a 4E that otherwise only tweaked the 3X rules.&nbsp; This would be more true the more the &quot;play aids&quot; were made integral to the rules by one degree or another.All the same 3.5 is most assuredly not a perfect game and can be redesigned to good effect in a &quot;different&quot; way.&nbsp; My bugaboo is high level play.&nbsp; It both bogs down in combat and in NPC development and can too easily become a die rolling contest of saves.&nbsp; Different?&nbsp; It can be usefully and radically &quot;different&quot; IMO.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GVDammerung, post: 2691709, member: 33060"] I disagree. 4e need not be that different from 3X to be successful. A number of other RPGs put out new editions that only tweak the basic rules and are still deemed successful. CoC. Hero System. These come to mind. GURPS? Ars Magica? Warhammer? I'm not sure there but my sense is they are more "same" than radically "different." The new Vampire seems to strike a nice balance between tweak and "different." Play-aids might well help to "distinguish" a 4E that otherwise only tweaked the 3X rules. This would be more true the more the "play aids" were made integral to the rules by one degree or another. All the same 3.5 is most assuredly not a perfect game and can be redesigned to good effect in a "different" way. My bugaboo is high level play. It both bogs down in combat and in NPC development and can too easily become a die rolling contest of saves. Different? It can be usefully and radically "different" IMO. [/QUOTE]

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