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Some odd imbalances in Warlock invocations
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<blockquote data-quote="Falling Icicle" data-source="post: 3265911" data-attributes="member: 17077"><p>There seems to be some imbalances in Warlock invocations. For example, noxious blast is a greater (6th) invocation, and can nauseate its victim for 1 minute (10 rounds). A nauseated creature can take only a single move action each turn, and can't attack, cast spells, concentrate on spells, or do anything else requiring attention. That is a significant hinderance that nearly disables an opponent.</p><p></p><p>Now, let's compare this to another greater eldritch essence invocation. Hindering Blast, in Complete Mage, only slows its target for 1 round. A Slowed creature can take only a single standard or move action each turn and suffers a -1 penalty to attack rolls, saves and reflex saves. Obviously, being slowed is nowhere near as bad as being nauseated. And not only that, the slow effect of hindering blast lasts only 1 round, compared to the 10 round duration of noxious blast. So why does noxious blast have not only a far superior debilitating effect, but also 10 times the duration of hindering blast?</p><p></p><p>Also, hindering blast has a level equivalent of 4th, even though invocations with such a level equivalent are supposed to be lesser invocations, according to the Warlock class description.</p><p></p><p>"A least invocation has a level equivalent of 1st or 2nd; a lesser, 3rd or 4th; a greater, 5th or 6th; and a dark invocation has a level equivalent of 6th or higher (maximum 9th)." Complete Arcane, p. 8</p><p></p><p>This had me thinking that perhaps putting hindering blast at the greater grade was an accident, but looking over the invocations in both books, I've noticed several invocations which are also in error as to their level equivalent vs. their grade. Bewitching blast is also a greater eldritch essence invocation, despite its 4th level equivalent. Word of Changing is a dark invocation, despite it's 5th level equivalent. Caustic mire is a greater invocation despite its 4th level equivalent.</p><p></p><p>So not only are some of these invocation's effects too weak for their grade, but this is often obvious just by looking at their level equivalent.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Falling Icicle, post: 3265911, member: 17077"] There seems to be some imbalances in Warlock invocations. For example, noxious blast is a greater (6th) invocation, and can nauseate its victim for 1 minute (10 rounds). A nauseated creature can take only a single move action each turn, and can't attack, cast spells, concentrate on spells, or do anything else requiring attention. That is a significant hinderance that nearly disables an opponent. Now, let's compare this to another greater eldritch essence invocation. Hindering Blast, in Complete Mage, only slows its target for 1 round. A Slowed creature can take only a single standard or move action each turn and suffers a -1 penalty to attack rolls, saves and reflex saves. Obviously, being slowed is nowhere near as bad as being nauseated. And not only that, the slow effect of hindering blast lasts only 1 round, compared to the 10 round duration of noxious blast. So why does noxious blast have not only a far superior debilitating effect, but also 10 times the duration of hindering blast? Also, hindering blast has a level equivalent of 4th, even though invocations with such a level equivalent are supposed to be lesser invocations, according to the Warlock class description. "A least invocation has a level equivalent of 1st or 2nd; a lesser, 3rd or 4th; a greater, 5th or 6th; and a dark invocation has a level equivalent of 6th or higher (maximum 9th)." Complete Arcane, p. 8 This had me thinking that perhaps putting hindering blast at the greater grade was an accident, but looking over the invocations in both books, I've noticed several invocations which are also in error as to their level equivalent vs. their grade. Bewitching blast is also a greater eldritch essence invocation, despite its 4th level equivalent. Word of Changing is a dark invocation, despite it's 5th level equivalent. Caustic mire is a greater invocation despite its 4th level equivalent. So not only are some of these invocation's effects too weak for their grade, but this is often obvious just by looking at their level equivalent. [/QUOTE]
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