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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mouseferatu" data-source="post: 1049968" data-attributes="member: 1288">Some great ideas so far, folks.  I appreciate it.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Enkhidu, I love the idea of keeping the attack forms but having them work on anyone.  You're right, that works perfectly with the idea of Chaos breaking down the victim's physical form.  It's evil; therefore, it's good. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />And yeah, I'd already decided to tone town or eliminate most of the telepathic powers in favor of those that affect physical objects.I was actually thinking the Chaos Disciple might be a template as much as a PrC, since it involves actually changing the physical nature of the victim--but in either case, the prereqs are such that very few people will be able to do it.  (For instance, it requires that you already be a clerical worshipper of Chaos.)Harlequin, you're right, in the background the gods pushed back the waves of Chaos and remade the world.  I hadn't thought about it, but you're right that it does make sense that Divine magic should be closer to "chaos magic/psionics" than arcane magic is.  I'm thinking of using the "psionics are different" rules when comparing them to arcane, but a modified form of "psionics are just like magic" rules when comparing them to Divine.Of course, both spellcasters in my party are Divine spellcasters, darn it.  Oh, well...Jester, what sort of random charts are you talking about?  I'm a little leery of doing Wand/Rod of Wonder-style random effects.  I'm definitely going for a scary feel to the Disciples of Chaos.  Don't get me wrong, I love the W/R of Wonder--the first party who ever played in this world had one, and we used the expanded charts from Dragon Magazine.  But nothing ruins the players' fear of the villain when he accidentally hurls butterflies at them or makes his nose grow.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />That said, I will definitely check out the charts regardless.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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