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<blockquote data-quote="brehobit" data-source="post: 3325956" data-attributes="member: 12032">I've got a similar problem.1 guy is playing a straight ranger with sub-optimal feats.1 guy is playing a warlock with the fey feats from complete mage (very powerful indeed)1 guy is now playing a barb2/swordsage3 (he just retired his fighter/wu-jen) Very optimized.1 guy is playing a cleric 5 (somewhat optimized, divine metamagic stuff), his warlock just died.The ranger is way underpowered compared to the rest, just because he only uses PHB stuff and doesn't wish to multi-class.&nbsp; Which is fair.&nbsp; He's currently got a +1 Holy sword which balances things out quite nicely for now.&nbsp; And the party (mainly the barb/swordsage) is trying to keep the balance of magic items with the ranger.I agree, it can be a problem, but as a DM you can work around it.&nbsp; I didn't try to get him a holy sword or anything (it was in a module I ran), but it does make things much more balanced.Also, I expect when the ranger hits level 6 he will be a LOT more powerful.&nbsp; Goes from 2 attacks to 4 in a full attack.&nbsp; That should make him a meat grinder, even if those 2 new attacks will mostly miss. He seems to roll only 2s and 18s&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> Mark</blockquote>

[QUOTE="brehobit, post: 3325956, member: 12032"] I've got a similar problem. 1 guy is playing a straight ranger with sub-optimal feats. 1 guy is playing a warlock with the fey feats from complete mage (very powerful indeed) 1 guy is now playing a barb2/swordsage3 (he just retired his fighter/wu-jen) Very optimized. 1 guy is playing a cleric 5 (somewhat optimized, divine metamagic stuff), his warlock just died. The ranger is way underpowered compared to the rest, just because he only uses PHB stuff and doesn't wish to multi-class. Which is fair. He's currently got a +1 Holy sword which balances things out quite nicely for now. And the party (mainly the barb/swordsage) is trying to keep the balance of magic items with the ranger. I agree, it can be a problem, but as a DM you can work around it. I didn't try to get him a holy sword or anything (it was in a module I ran), but it does make things much more balanced. Also, I expect when the ranger hits level 6 he will be a LOT more powerful. Goes from 2 attacks to 4 in a full attack. That should make him a meat grinder, even if those 2 new attacks will mostly miss. He seems to roll only 2s and 18s :p Mark [/QUOTE]

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