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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wraith-Hunter" data-source="post: 3325967" data-attributes="member: 48298">I'm one of those type of people who is smart but gets overwhelmed at the choices and with all the sources out there. I'm not always sure how a feat choice will impact a character etc. But I want an effective character. So do you know what I do?I get on the Rules board here ask questions, I get on the charcater optimization board at wizards etc. I find builds that fit the concept I like and I go from there. They conceal this information on the internet  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> . The guy who doesn't optimise his character getting ticked that someone else gets help on theirs PULEZE!!! He really needs to take a chill pill. Players helping players out leads to characters helping characters out. Unless you are playing a CE backstabing campagin this is a very good thing. If he has a problem and has an under optimised character he can ask for help or find it online. Never have I gotten made fun of or treated badly asking questions online. People that are good at and like doing builds are usually HAPPY to help out they LIKE doing it. I would not cater to one person who has a problem. It is impossible to make everyone happy all the time. This person as the EXCACT SAME OPPORTUNITY everyone else at the table does. If he is not good at char building and wishes he was but doesn't do anything about it then WHY cater to him? Really HE is the problem. I would nicely (1st time) tell him he has the same opportunity to get an effective character as every one else. It is not like your group is saying you hvae to stick with bad choices even though you are not happy playing. If he continues to be a problem about it treat it like any other player problem accordingly.This guy really seems like he is more angry at himself than he is at other players. And some people refuse to ask for help, kind of like asking for directions. If he can't lower his pride, and is not good he can play a crappy character. It's not like it is a big secret the problem is between is ears.You can also house rule the "Timmy Feats" to something better. Like make toughness be improved toughness instead. If a feat is too week house rule a small powerup.As far as base classes go there are lots of good posts on the house rule boards for alternate versions of the class. Like the sorcerer for instance.Your problems seem like a people not a game problem. The people who are not good at it get help and the DM's are fast and free with rebuilds so it really isn't a problem.</blockquote>

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