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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mesh Hong" data-source="post: 4932598" data-attributes="member: 73463">Here are a few creatures I recently used for your perusal. These were part of a side quest where my 6 level 18 PCs were cleaning out a research facility (the research facility had acquired some primordial matter and was experimenting with it). 1: Lash Hound – Level 20 elite skirmisher2: Chimera Lizard – Level 20 solo brute3: Primordial Remnant – Level 20 solo controller 1: Lash HoundsThe encounter was 2x Lash Hound and 20 level 16 mutated researcher minions. Lash Hound (two headed) Level 20 Elite SkirmisherLarge Natural Magical Beast (subject 3) XP 5,600 Initiative +20 Senses Perception +20, darkvisionHP 376; Bloodied 188; see Bloodied KidnapAC 36; Fortitude 34, Reflex 35, Will 31Resist 10 fire, 10 acid; Vulnerable 10 psychicSaving Throws +2Speed 8Action Points 1 <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/bm.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":bmelee:" title="Basic Melee    :bmelee:" data-shortname=":bmelee:" /> Bite (Standard; at-will)Attack +25 vs. AC; 3d6+7 damage <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/m.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":melee:" title="Melee    :melee:" data-shortname=":melee:" /> Tongue Lash (Standard; at-will) ♦ acidReach 3; attack +23 vs. Reflex; 2d8+8 acid damage; on hit secondary attack +23 vs. Fortitude; on hit target is immobilised (save ends) <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/m.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":melee:" title="Melee    :melee:" data-shortname=":melee:" /> Double Headed Attack (Standard; at-will)Lash Hound may make a Bite or Tongue Lash attack against 2 different targets <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/m.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":melee:" title="Melee    :melee:" data-shortname=":melee:" /> Jaws of Terror (Standard; recharge <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/5.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":5:" title="Five    :5:" data-shortname=":5:" /><img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/6.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":6:" title="Six    :6:" data-shortname=":6:" />) ♦ immobilised target onlyImmobilised target only; Lash Hound makes 2 Bite attacks against the same target with a +2 attack bonus; if both attacks hit the target takes an additional 2d6 damage and 10 ongoing bleeding damage (save ends) <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/m.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":melee:" title="Melee    :melee:" data-shortname=":melee:" /> Bloodied Kidnap (Immediate Reaction; encounter) ♦ when first bloodiedWhen first bloodied Lash Hound makes an attack against the creature that bloodied it as an immediate reaction; reach 3; attack +23 vs. Reflex; on hit Lash Hound and its target teleport 8 squares <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/c.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":close:" title="Close    :close:" data-shortname=":close:" /> Howl of Ancient Doom (Standard; encounter) ♦ psychic, fearClose blast 5; enemies only; attack +23 vs. Will; 2d6+7 psychic damage; on hit target is stunned until the end of its next turn, aftereffect target takes a -4 penalty to saving throws (save ends) Alignment Unaligned Skills Acrobatics +23, Athletics +22, Stealth +23Str 24 (+17) Dex 26 (+18) Wis 20 (+15)Con 20 (+15) Int 6 (+8) Cha 3 (+6) Overall the Lash Hounds worked quite well, they only managed to use their Jaws of Terror ability once each, this might have been due to the way that they were separated and couldn’t synergise with each other.  2: Chimera LizardThis was a solo creature, by itself. Chimera Lizard (red & blue dragon, basilisk) Level 20 Solo BruteLarge Natural Magical Beast (subject 12) XP 14,000 Initiative +15 Senses Perception +20, darkvisionHP 940; Bloodied 470; see Bloodied Breath, Chimeric FuryAC 34; Fortitude 35, Reflex 31, Will 33Resist 15 fire, 15 lightningSaving Throws +5, see Triple RedundancySpeed 6, fly 8 (clumsy)Action Points 2 <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/bm.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":bmelee:" title="Basic Melee    :bmelee:" data-shortname=":bmelee:" /> Random Bite (Standard; at-will)Chimera Lizard makes a random bite attack, d6 (1-2 Red, 3-4 Blue, 5-6 Basilisk) <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/m.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":melee:" title="Melee    :melee:" data-shortname=":melee:" /> Red Dragon Bite (Standard; at-will)Attack +23 vs. AC; 3d6+8 damage <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/m.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":melee:" title="Melee    :melee:" data-shortname=":melee:" /> Blue Dragon Bite (Standard; at-will) ♦ lightningAttack +23 vs. AC; 2d6+5 damage; on hit if target has no resistance to lightning damage it takes a -2 penalty to attack rolls (save ends) <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/m.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":melee:" title="Melee    :melee:" data-shortname=":melee:" /> Basilisk Bite (Standard; at-will)Attack +21 vs. Fortitude; 2d8+8 damage; on hit target is slowed (save ends) <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/m.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":melee:" title="Melee    :melee:" data-shortname=":melee:" /> Triple Threat (Standard; at-will)Chimera Lizard makes a Red Dragon Bite, Blue Dragon Bite and a Basilisk Bite attack, each against a different target <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/m.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":melee:" title="Melee    :melee:" data-shortname=":melee:" /> Chimeric Fury (Standard; recharge <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/5.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":5:" title="Five    :5:" data-shortname=":5:" /><img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/6.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":6:" title="Six    :6:" data-shortname=":6:" />) ♦ while bloodied onlyWhile bloodied only; Chimera Lizard makes a Red Dragon Bite, Blue Dragon Bite and Basilisk Bite against the same target <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/r.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":ranged:" title="Ranged    :ranged:" data-shortname=":ranged:" /> Blue Dragon Lightning Blast (Standard; at-will) ♦ lightning3 attacks, different targets; range 20; attack +21 vs. Reflex; 3d8+7 lightning damage <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/c.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":close:" title="Close    :close:" data-shortname=":close:" /> Basilisk Stare (Minor; recharge <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/5.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":5:" title="Five    :5:" data-shortname=":5:" /><img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/6.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":6:" title="Six    :6:" data-shortname=":6:" />) ♦ gazeClose blast 3; attack +21 vs. Fortitude; on hit target is slowed (save ends), first failed save target is immobilised (save ends), second failed save target is petrified (no save) <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/c.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":close:" title="Close    :close:" data-shortname=":close:" /> Combined Breath (Standard; recharge <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/5.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":5:" title="Five    :5:" data-shortname=":5:" /><img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/6.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":6:" title="Six    :6:" data-shortname=":6:" />) ♦ fire, lightningClose blast 5; attack +21 vs. Reflex; 4d10+7 fire & lightning damage; on miss half damage Bloodied Breath (Immediate Reaction; encounter) ♦ when first bloodiedWhen first bloodied Chimera Lizards Combined Breath recharges and is activated as an immediate reaction Triple RedundancyIf Chimera Lizard is hit with a single target effect that either stuns, blinds, or knocks it unconscious the attacker may choose which head it affects, apply the effect to that head as appropriate for the usual duration, all other effects (e.g. dazed or weakened) apply as usual Alignment Chaotic Evil Skills Athletics +23, Endurance +20Str 26 (+18) Dex 20 (+15) Wis 20 (+15)Con 20 (+15) Int 6 (+8) Cha 16 (+13) My poor old Chimera Lizard got pummelled, but worked pretty much as intended and dished out a reasonable amount of damage while attracting its share of my PCs daily powers. The Triple Redundancy power was useful twice (against a stun and a blind effect) and seemed reasonable to my players. 3: Primordial RemnantThis encounter comprised of the Remnant, a level 18 artillery fragment, and 12 level 16 mutated researcher minions. Primordial Remnant Level 20 Solo ControllerHuge Elemental Magical Beast (subject Aa) XP 14,000 Initiative +17 Senses Perception +23, truesight 20HP 950; considered bloodiedAC 36; Fortitude 32, Reflex 34, Will 35Saving Throws +5Speed 6, climb 6 (spiderclimb)Action Points 2, see Spark of Life <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/bm.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":bmelee:" title="Basic Melee    :bmelee:" data-shortname=":bmelee:" /> Snapping Maw (Standard; at-will)Reach 3; attack +25 vs. AC; 2d6+7 damage; on hit target gains 1 Primordial Influence Point <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/m.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":melee:" title="Melee    :melee:" data-shortname=":melee:" /> Triple Snap (Standard; at-will)3 attacks; reach 3; attack +25 vs. AC; 1d10+7 damage; on hit target gains 1 Primordial Influence Point <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/r.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":ranged:" title="Ranged    :ranged:" data-shortname=":ranged:" /> Brain Warp (Standard; recharge <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/5.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":5:" title="Five    :5:" data-shortname=":5:" /><img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/6.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":6:" title="Six    :6:" data-shortname=":6:" />) ♦ psychicRange 10; attack +24 vs. Will; 3d8+8 psychic damage; on hit target is stunned until the end of Primordial Remnants’ next turn and target rolls a d6, on a result of 1-2 target permanently loses a point of intelligence or wisdom, on a 5-6 target permanently gains a point of intelligence or wisdom <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/r.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":ranged:" title="Ranged    :ranged:" data-shortname=":ranged:" /> Body Warp (Standard; recharge <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/5.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":5:" title="Five    :5:" data-shortname=":5:" /><img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/6.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":6:" title="Six    :6:" data-shortname=":6:" />)Range 10; attack +24 vs. Fortitude; 3d8+8 damage; on hit target is dazed (save ends) and target rolls a d6, on a result of 1-2 target permanently loses a point of strength or dexterity, on a 5-6 target permanently gains a point of strength or dexterity <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/c.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":close:" title="Close    :close:" data-shortname=":close:" /> Wave of Change (Standard; encounter)Burst 8; enemies only; attack +24 vs. Fortitude; 4d10+8 damage; on hit target gains 1 Primordial Influence Point and 1 Primordial Influence Point at the start of their turn (save ends) <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/c.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":close:" title="Close    :close:" data-shortname=":close:" /> Whipping Tendrils (Standard; at-will)Burst 3; attack +25 vs. AC; 2d8+7 damage; on hit target is pushed 3 squares and slowed (save ends) <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/c.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":close:" title="Close    :close:" data-shortname=":close:" /> Primordial Fear (Standard; encounter) ♦ fear, psychicBurst 8; attack +24 vs. Will; 1d10+8 psychic damage; on hit target is immobilised and takes 15 ongoing psychic damage (save ends both) <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/area.gif"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":area:" title="Area    :area:" data-shortname=":area:" /> Primordial Echo (Standard; encounter) ♦ psychic, zoneArea burst 2 within 15; enemies only; attack +24 vs. Will; 4d8+8 psychic damage; creates a zone that lasts until the end of the encounter; all creatures starting their turn inside the zone are slowed until the start of their next turn and gain 1 Primordial Influence Point Spark of LifeWhenever any creature within 20 squares of Primordial Remnant scores a critical hit Primordial Remnant gains an action point, this may take its current total greater than 2 Threatening ReachPrimordial Remnant has threatening reach 3 with its Snapping Maw attack Alignment Unaligned Languages primordialSkills Athletics +20, Endurance +21, Intimidate +14Str 20 (+15) Dex 24 (+17) Wis 26 (+18)Con 22 (+16) Int 20 (+15) Cha 8 (+9) Primordial InfluenceWhenever a PC gains 3 Primordial Influence Points they receive an attack +24 vs. Fortitude; on hit they gain a Primordial Mutation Point. At the end of the encounter roll a d6 twice for each Primordial Mutation Point, the first lowers a stat by 1 point the second raises a stat by 1 point.  Personally I thought this creature worked pretty well, it was nasty without being a damage dealing powerhouse. Between being marked and taking an additional -2 to all its attacks (from splintering shot) its attacks missed as often as they hit, though if I was to run it again I would probably reduce its AC by 2 points (this would bring it more in line with MMII guidelines).  At the end of the day I think any “Primordial Threat” should involve at least a taste of the raw power that the ancient Primordials once commanded. In this case my interpretation of this was the Spark of Life ability and the Primordial Influence system, which could lead to Primordial Mutation. A: The Spark of Life power (to my surprise) proved to be incredibly useful, the creature spent an action point nearly every turn and at one point had 5 action points, in fact it died still having 3 action points left. My prediction was that it might gain 2 action points with this power, in the end having an action point to spend every round did not overpower the creature (for my group). B: The Primordial Influence and Mutation system is a matter of taste and play style. At the end of the encounter out of 6 PCs I had 2 PCs with 1 mutation point each and a third PC with 2 mutation points (a fourth had withstood the attack +24 vs. Fortitude to shrug a mutation point off). As I have said my own opinion is that battling Primordials (or in this case primordial matter) should be dangerous and carry potential long term consequences, but I can totally understand anyones opinion of not wanting to mess with a PCs stats…. I would like to here other peoples opinion regarding this. Anyway that’s my basic report, I would be happy to discuss or explain anything anyone is interested in.</blockquote>

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