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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Troll Lord" data-source="post: 45253" data-attributes="member: 1163">With fresh Dr. Pepper in hand....Concerning Mogrl and the Dragons.Your right.  The Mogrl are weaker than Dragons, I suppose they come in somewhere around the Adult Dragon.  I applaud the 3e rules here, for they made Dragons very powerful creatures, something we had been doing for years.  Dragons should be the end all, thus, in Erde, you find Frafnog as one of the only creatures who knows the Language of Creation.  And, in Erde, all Dragons know at least parts of the language.Stat wise, Mogrl are far more powerful than say Pit Fiends.Two things you might consider as a DM that can give the Mogrl a great deal of power.  Reading it over now, it is rather understated, but the Mogrl,  much like Frafnog, have a command of the Language of Creation.  To master this (to quote page 187) "would bring the wielder infinite power."  Now the Mogrl in no way have mastered it, but they do understand it and with this understanding they influence events around them.  For instance, as a DM you might make a spell cast by a Mogrl or blow struck take maximum affect.  Also, being masters of the forge and having access to Klargliech in Aufstrag these creatures can fashion almost any weapon they chose, and with the Language embue it with a great deal of power.  The min. is a +2 weapon, but the few times I've used them I've run with +8 or once, up to a +12.The other thing I see, in looking at it, is that the Mogrl actually strike 6 times a round.  This is nowhere mentioned in the text, though it should be.That said, if your games tend to run into the very powerful, feel free to make Mogrl even more so they are given in the text.  They should be creatures of dread.That said, to answer your other questions.  The Immortals on Erde are not as powerful as the gods of other planes.  But the Eternals and Spirits are far more so.With luch I didn't ramble too much and what I wrote made some amount of sense.  Come on back and let me know what not.SteveTLG</blockquote>

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