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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 4399961" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>What he means: an immediate interrupt happens before the action it is interrupting. An opportunity action happens before the action it is interrupting.</p><p></p><p>In the example, the Ranger is using an Encounter power (which he can use once per encounter) as an immediate action (which he can use once per round). Once he has used Disruptive Strike, he can no longer take an immediate action this round, and he can no longer use Disruptive Strike this encounter.</p><p></p><p>But he provokes an OA (since he's making a ranged attack), and the adjacent enemy makes an attack as an opportunity action. The enemy can only make a single opportunity attack this turn; once he has taken this OA, he can no longer make an OA this turn.</p><p></p><p>However, because the enemy's OA occurs before the Disruptive Strike, the Ranger has not yet used Disruptive Strike this encounter, nor has he used an immediate action this round. So can he, conceivably, use Disruptive Strike against the OA? If he can, and does, then the OA will take a penalty, and resolve, and after that the Ranger's original Disruptive Strike <em>would</em> resolve... except he's already used the encounter power (and an immediate action), so the original Disruptive Strike cannot proceed.</p><p></p><p>But! If he does, in fact, use Disruptive Strike against the OA, the ranged attack provokes an OA. And since this Disruptive Strike occurs before the OA that triggered it, the enemy has not, in fact, made an OA yet this turn. So he still has his OA 'in hand', so to speak, and can take the OA provoked by the Disruptive Strike.</p><p></p><p>Which is an attack against the Ranger, who despite having two Disruptive Strikes 'in the stack', has not yet actually made a Disruptive Strike, so he interrupts the OA with Disruptive Strike, provoking an OA...</p><p></p><p>There's your infinite loop. So hyphz's question was "I presume the Disruptive Strike is considered expended..." - as in, at the point the Ranger declares his Disruptive Strike, he is considered to have used the power, even though it has not resolved yet, and even though the interrupting OA resolves before Disruptive Strike does.</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 4399961, member: 1656"] What he means: an immediate interrupt happens before the action it is interrupting. An opportunity action happens before the action it is interrupting. In the example, the Ranger is using an Encounter power (which he can use once per encounter) as an immediate action (which he can use once per round). Once he has used Disruptive Strike, he can no longer take an immediate action this round, and he can no longer use Disruptive Strike this encounter. But he provokes an OA (since he's making a ranged attack), and the adjacent enemy makes an attack as an opportunity action. The enemy can only make a single opportunity attack this turn; once he has taken this OA, he can no longer make an OA this turn. However, because the enemy's OA occurs before the Disruptive Strike, the Ranger has not yet used Disruptive Strike this encounter, nor has he used an immediate action this round. So can he, conceivably, use Disruptive Strike against the OA? If he can, and does, then the OA will take a penalty, and resolve, and after that the Ranger's original Disruptive Strike [i]would[/i] resolve... except he's already used the encounter power (and an immediate action), so the original Disruptive Strike cannot proceed. But! If he does, in fact, use Disruptive Strike against the OA, the ranged attack provokes an OA. And since this Disruptive Strike occurs before the OA that triggered it, the enemy has not, in fact, made an OA yet this turn. So he still has his OA 'in hand', so to speak, and can take the OA provoked by the Disruptive Strike. Which is an attack against the Ranger, who despite having two Disruptive Strikes 'in the stack', has not yet actually made a Disruptive Strike, so he interrupts the OA with Disruptive Strike, provoking an OA... There's your infinite loop. So hyphz's question was "I presume the Disruptive Strike is considered expended..." - as in, at the point the Ranger declares his Disruptive Strike, he is considered to have used the power, even though it has not resolved yet, and even though the interrupting OA resolves before Disruptive Strike does. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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