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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3083786" data-attributes="member: 1656">Concealment, not total concealment?&nbsp; Has no effect on Dex bonus to AC.&nbsp; Unless the creature is hiding, you can see him even though he has concealment; you just can't see him perfectly.That's because it doesn't.There's argument as to whether a hiding creature is considered invisible or not.&nbsp; Some point to the description of the Invisible condition (which begins with 'visually undetectable') and say that a hiding creature is therefore Invisible.&nbsp; Others note that there's a difference between 'visually undetectable' and 'visually undetected'; someone who hides successfully has not been seen, but not because they cannot be seen.Even among people who consider an attack by a hiding creature to deny Dex bonus, there's argument as to whether the attacker gains the +2 bonus for 'Attacker invisible'.So the reason you can't find where it says that... is because it doesn't actually say anywhere &quot;An attack from a successfully hiding creature denies the defender his Dex bonus to AC&quot;.If he's not being observed, that should be fine.&nbsp; (Assuming you mean 55 feet of open squares, not 55 5-foot squares!)I believe it's for movement while hiding.&nbsp; If you want to move down the shadowy corridor without being noticed, you either move at half speed or take penalties.&nbsp; If you want to stroll down the shadowy corridor in plain sight and hide at the end, you can move at normal speed.If you don't have cover or concealment, you can't hide.&nbsp; So yes - if you leave the shadowy corridor and sneak into the empty, well-lit room, you'll be seen.If the encounter has already started, and you're still in combat rounds, the guard is not flat-footed.If the rogue was relying on the cover of the building to hide, then once that cover no longer applies, he is not hidden.-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 3083786, member: 1656"] Concealment, not total concealment? Has no effect on Dex bonus to AC. Unless the creature is hiding, you can see him even though he has concealment; you just can't see him perfectly. That's because it doesn't. There's argument as to whether a hiding creature is considered invisible or not. Some point to the description of the Invisible condition (which begins with 'visually undetectable') and say that a hiding creature is therefore Invisible. Others note that there's a difference between 'visually undetectable' and 'visually undetected'; someone who hides successfully has not been seen, but not because they [i]cannot[/i] be seen. Even among people who consider an attack by a hiding creature to deny Dex bonus, there's argument as to whether the attacker gains the +2 bonus for 'Attacker invisible'. So the reason you can't find where it says that... is because it doesn't actually say anywhere "An attack from a successfully hiding creature denies the defender his Dex bonus to AC". If he's not being observed, that should be fine. (Assuming you mean 55 feet of open squares, not 55 5-foot squares!) I believe it's for movement while hiding. If you want to move down the shadowy corridor without being noticed, you either move at half speed or take penalties. If you want to stroll down the shadowy corridor in plain sight and hide at the end, you can move at normal speed. If you don't have cover or concealment, you can't hide. So yes - if you leave the shadowy corridor and sneak into the empty, well-lit room, you'll be seen. If the encounter has already started, and you're still in combat rounds, the guard is not flat-footed. If the rogue was relying on the cover of the building to hide, then once that cover no longer applies, he is not hidden. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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