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<blockquote data-quote="zlorf" data-source="post: 3089006" data-attributes="member: 7955">Hide SkillsIn Shackled City Hard Cover a tactic they use is for an Assassin is to use his slipper of spider climb and climb above the doorway near the ceiling and study someone for 3 round and leap on them.Condition of the room: DarkAssassin hears someone approaching the door and hides near the ceiling: Hide roll = 30Dwarf opens the door and enter the room, dwarf has darkvision so has no problemsseeing. DM rolls a spot check for the Dwarf..Spot roll = 24.Now in theory the dwarf should be able to see anyone in the room unless they are behindan object. As a DM you could say the ceiling is uneven, say it has beams so at least you canhide properly.&nbsp;To me a hide check vs spot should be enough. the dwarf&nbsp; just doesnt notice the dark figure near the ceiling as he looks around the room.If someone hides say behind a pillar and somewalks past the pillar they get a spot check, if they fail, they just dont notice the hidden creature, even though now they probably have a clear line of sight. Otherwise hide becomes very weak and you have people saying i enter the room and have a really good look behind every object etc, ah there he is behind the chair.So i guess i would lean toward hide = invisCheersZ</blockquote>

[QUOTE="zlorf, post: 3089006, member: 7955"] [b]Hide Skills[/b] In Shackled City Hard Cover a tactic they use is for an Assassin is to use his slipper of spider climb and climb above the doorway near the ceiling and study someone for 3 round and leap on them. Condition of the room: Dark Assassin hears someone approaching the door and hides near the ceiling: Hide roll = 30 Dwarf opens the door and enter the room, dwarf has darkvision so has no problems seeing. DM rolls a spot check for the Dwarf..Spot roll = 24. Now in theory the dwarf should be able to see anyone in the room unless they are behind an object. As a DM you could say the ceiling is uneven, say it has beams so at least you can hide properly. To me a hide check vs spot should be enough. the dwarf just doesnt notice the dark figure near the ceiling as he looks around the room. If someone hides say behind a pillar and somewalks past the pillar they get a spot check, if they fail, they just dont notice the hidden creature, even though now they probably have a clear line of sight. Otherwise hide becomes very weak and you have people saying i enter the room and have a really good look behind every object etc, ah there he is behind the chair. So i guess i would lean toward hide = invis Cheers Z [/QUOTE]

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