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<blockquote data-quote="reiella" data-source="post: 67321" data-attributes="member: 160"><p>Luck != Balance, if that were the case, then you could just as easily say that White Belts have the same level of power as Tier 4 fighters...</p><p></p><p>As guess who else beat Gray (when he was second highest ranked fighter)... a white belt.</p><p></p><p>And out of curiosity there, is DT, ST that much greater than Chi Strike, FoF, and the modifier bundles?</p><p></p><p>And yes, the only reason immunity and Styles > Locations has been that's the way they've always been. Course, alot of thingsh ave changed from how they've always been.</p><p></p><p>Insults used to always shift some of the initial flags in your favor, and then later reduced simply determination of length, and now to determination of style and speed.</p><p></p><p>Honor always only had passive powers (apart from the Diversity of Styles)...</p><p></p><p>Just because something has always been that way does not make it a good reason or idea for it to remain as such.</p><p></p><p>The potential of a DB to have both a sneaky trick and a gang turf was the only reason locations didn't have immunity initially.</p><p></p><p>And also I suppose that the terms of balance are only significant for strategy fights? If that is the case, then why don't we simply strike the standard style out entirely, if the conditions of balance are only held in the case of strategy, we should maintain it, no?</p><p></p><p>Again is there really only basis for Style > Location besides that is how it has always been? Or the opinion that yakuza powers are greater than the honored despite probability numbers saying very much elsewise.</p><p></p><p>Chi Strike goes against Sneaky Trick at least for terms of Yakuza balance. What is more useful the ability to guarantee a move will not be interfered with (sans bribe) or the ability to add a lesser weight to the move? I'm a bit willing to say they're fairly well balanced either way because they serve slightly different purposes.</p><p></p><p>Fist of Fury goes against Dirty Tricks (again terms of Yakuza/Honor at least). The ability to have a multi-hit move (and a very high multi-hit potential with nice synergies later on in tiers) against the ablity to dismiss a move. In all, I could see these are fairly equal (if Chi Strike worked with it however owuld have other problems, and I still dread the potential of a honored fighter who decides to spend their money on two Purity of Focuses -would negate all 2 of the Yakuza's tricks, or even three to negate all of the Dark warrior's as well... nasty nasty FoF pain potential there <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />. I do tend to feel the more aggressive nature of FoF makes it more useful, but they are significantly different and willing to buy that they are about equal. It also sort of encourages a Yakuza to sit on their Dirty Tricks for FoF in general and be less likly to use them against other 'strong' moves... But again in all could consider them roughly equal.</p><p></p><p>I also don't buy that the immunity makes the game more random... How exactly is a guaranteed victory more random?</p><p></p><p>[ Yet Another Add ]</p><p>And also, wanted some discussion myself before putting having or asking for a poll on it <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />. Far too many of the pollings on the old committee were performed with very little actual discussion :x at least up until I stopped getting mail updates. (And yes I am prolly a fair bit guilty of not contributing so much to the debates)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="reiella, post: 67321, member: 160"] Luck != Balance, if that were the case, then you could just as easily say that White Belts have the same level of power as Tier 4 fighters... As guess who else beat Gray (when he was second highest ranked fighter)... a white belt. And out of curiosity there, is DT, ST that much greater than Chi Strike, FoF, and the modifier bundles? And yes, the only reason immunity and Styles > Locations has been that's the way they've always been. Course, alot of thingsh ave changed from how they've always been. Insults used to always shift some of the initial flags in your favor, and then later reduced simply determination of length, and now to determination of style and speed. Honor always only had passive powers (apart from the Diversity of Styles)... Just because something has always been that way does not make it a good reason or idea for it to remain as such. The potential of a DB to have both a sneaky trick and a gang turf was the only reason locations didn't have immunity initially. And also I suppose that the terms of balance are only significant for strategy fights? If that is the case, then why don't we simply strike the standard style out entirely, if the conditions of balance are only held in the case of strategy, we should maintain it, no? Again is there really only basis for Style > Location besides that is how it has always been? Or the opinion that yakuza powers are greater than the honored despite probability numbers saying very much elsewise. Chi Strike goes against Sneaky Trick at least for terms of Yakuza balance. What is more useful the ability to guarantee a move will not be interfered with (sans bribe) or the ability to add a lesser weight to the move? I'm a bit willing to say they're fairly well balanced either way because they serve slightly different purposes. Fist of Fury goes against Dirty Tricks (again terms of Yakuza/Honor at least). The ability to have a multi-hit move (and a very high multi-hit potential with nice synergies later on in tiers) against the ablity to dismiss a move. In all, I could see these are fairly equal (if Chi Strike worked with it however owuld have other problems, and I still dread the potential of a honored fighter who decides to spend their money on two Purity of Focuses -would negate all 2 of the Yakuza's tricks, or even three to negate all of the Dark warrior's as well... nasty nasty FoF pain potential there :). I do tend to feel the more aggressive nature of FoF makes it more useful, but they are significantly different and willing to buy that they are about equal. It also sort of encourages a Yakuza to sit on their Dirty Tricks for FoF in general and be less likly to use them against other 'strong' moves... But again in all could consider them roughly equal. I also don't buy that the immunity makes the game more random... How exactly is a guaranteed victory more random? [ Yet Another Add ] And also, wanted some discussion myself before putting having or asking for a poll on it :). Far too many of the pollings on the old committee were performed with very little actual discussion :x at least up until I stopped getting mail updates. (And yes I am prolly a fair bit guilty of not contributing so much to the debates) [/QUOTE]
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