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<blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5740086" data-attributes="member: 54877">I don't care for tieflings, personally, though dragonborn are ok.&nbsp; But whether liked or disliked, I think any problems with newer races is less about individual races and more about proportion.&nbsp; This is also true whether you get crafty with redundant races or work to get rid of them.&nbsp; That is, even liking dragonborn, I don't care for it as one of 8 PHB 1 races.&nbsp; As one of a larger number, however, and I've got no complaint.&nbsp; (This obviously goes double for races that I don't much care for.)&nbsp;The same thing can be said, to a lesser degree, for classes.&nbsp; For a new edition, WotC could do a lot worse than to take all the races and classes from PHB 1 and 2 as a starting place, eliminate some redundant stuff, and polish off some rough edges.&nbsp; If that ends up with, say, 11 races and 12 classes, fine.&nbsp; (I'm assuming a better presentation of class powers that doesn't need a unique list for each class.)&nbsp; That might not be the best long-term sales approach (with the idea of parsing out the &quot;good stuff&quot;), but it is a pretty darn good marketing &quot;big splash&quot; launch of giving people what they want in the core.&nbsp; If you have a race or class or three you don't like, you can cut those out and still have more than a &quot;full&quot; complement to play with.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Crazy Jerome, post: 5740086, member: 54877"] I don't care for tieflings, personally, though dragonborn are ok. But whether liked or disliked, I think any problems with newer races is less about individual races and more about proportion. This is also true whether you get crafty with redundant races or work to get rid of them. That is, even liking dragonborn, I don't care for it as one of 8 PHB 1 races. As one of a larger number, however, and I've got no complaint. (This obviously goes double for races that I don't much care for.) The same thing can be said, to a lesser degree, for classes. For a new edition, WotC could do a lot worse than to take all the races and classes from PHB 1 and 2 as a starting place, eliminate some redundant stuff, and polish off some rough edges. If that ends up with, say, 11 races and 12 classes, fine. (I'm assuming a better presentation of class powers that doesn't need a unique list for each class.) That might not be the best long-term sales approach (with the idea of parsing out the "good stuff"), but it is a pretty darn good marketing "big splash" launch of giving people what they want in the core. If you have a race or class or three you don't like, you can cut those out and still have more than a "full" complement to play with. [/QUOTE]

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