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<blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 4511774" data-attributes="member: 114">I find myself on KarinsDad's side here - to me, having any class or race that can be teleporting around an essentially limitless number of times a day breaks ranks with all fantasy literature that I've ever read (i.e. pre-1980) and conceptually with all swords and sorcery that I've read or played.It just doesn't sit well with me. It is going into the land of 'too fantastic'.And eladrin fey step absolutely obviates climb and jump for many typical low level obstacles - climbs and crevasses. Not to mention bars and grills.Furthermore, I don't know what kind of game was being played by those who claim that wizards could outdo every other class in 3e, but frankly I never saw the 3e wizard get close to the functionality and survivability of 3e clerics or druids. Yes, there was a problem with casters vs non-casters in 3e relating to what they could potentially accomplish, but that was true for all casting classes (and more so for the divine casters).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Plane Sailing, post: 4511774, member: 114"] I find myself on KarinsDad's side here - to me, having any class or race that can be teleporting around an essentially limitless number of times a day breaks ranks with all fantasy literature that I've ever read (i.e. pre-1980) and conceptually with all swords and sorcery that I've read or played. It just doesn't sit well with me. It is going into the land of 'too fantastic'. And eladrin fey step absolutely obviates climb and jump for many typical low level obstacles - climbs and crevasses. Not to mention bars and grills. Furthermore, I don't know what kind of game was being played by those who claim that wizards could outdo every other class in 3e, but frankly I never saw the 3e wizard get close to the functionality and survivability of 3e clerics or druids. Yes, there was a problem with casters vs non-casters in 3e relating to what they could potentially accomplish, but that was true for all casting classes (and more so for the divine casters). [/QUOTE]

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