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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 2319068" data-attributes="member: 4937">There are alot of responces I could make, but I'll start with a short one here.  I don't think you understand my position enough to speak for me.  I've used mass combat rules.  But in any mass combat system based off D&D, level is going to be the most important characteristic of the units.For the record, those are my preferences to.  I'd guess we are both old school gamers that have been playing since 1st edition.  So, I'm guessing that your completely off base when your trying to in your head explain away some of the differences.Not really.  Most of my NPC's will have point buys of 15-20.  A PC with a point buy of 28 is a pretty exceptional person even at 1st level.  A small group of such individuals is extraordinarily talented and capable even at 1st level, even if in theory out there somewhere is a group of 4th level fighters.  Those 4th level fighters are very good at what they do (fight and kill things in pitched battles), but that list of things that they do probably does not include diplomacy, trap finding, stealth, spell casting, surviving in the wilderness, resisting mind effecting spells, and all the other things that a PC party can (and must) do.  A group of 1st level PC's at the least represent enormous potential.  Between having maximum hitpoints at first level (rather than merely average) and higher attributes, 1st level PC's will be as capable as average NPC's of a level higher than themselves and will have fewer glaring deficiencies.  Nah.  A 4th level fighter specialized in a Pike or Crossbow might well be fearsome when sober and in a military unit, but drunk in a bar he's just going to be outgunned by a party of 1st levels because even then the party is capable of 'assymetric warfare'.  Besides which, even if he's a swordsman specialized in normal melee, shouldn't there be grizzled veterans which mere rookies can't yet handle?  On the other hand, if the town has 'swiss troopers' in it, then its highly unlikely that one drunk PC will be able to kill the whole town, which in my opinion represents a bigger problem.  It's this latter case that caused me to first start thinking about the problems of a town full of 0-level fighters (as they were called then) in the first place.</blockquote>

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