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Message: <blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 2320946" data-attributes="member: 463">While that's true re my intent, I have never actually seen a group of 20th level characters in my 3e campaign; even in 1e I think they were rare and wouldn't likely be Fighter-Cleric-Rogue-Wizard, more likely whoever the 3 top heroes in the Empire happened to be.  But I do see groups of 15th level characters, they have to be dealt with somehow.While armies of 30,000 are very typical IMC (eg the horde of Sigurd, the Royal Army of Thrinia (RIP)) there is no army of 30,000 currently in my campaign world where the weakest soldier is War-3 - like I said, I'd use that for the equivalent of Caesar's Gallic legions or Alexander's Macedonians, exceptional, highly experienced combat-hardened forces.  A typical army IMC is 50% first level, ie for 30,000:15,000 1st7,500 2nd3,750 3rdetcWith PC class characters being 1 level lower than NPC class, so a typical army commander might be a Fighter-13.</blockquote>