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<blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 8271405" data-attributes="member: 6796468"><p>You say some very right things... but for some very wrong reasons.</p><p></p><p>Yeah. The topic is about the moral philosophies of heroic characters and not theologies. Yeah, players tend to project their own morality on PCs.</p><p></p><p>With those two facts established: D&D Theology is irrelevant unless the player, separate from the character, ascribes to D&D Religions and has for enough of their life that such things shape their moral identity.</p><p></p><p>That said, of course, the player can also chose to engage in Role Morality (Almost all of us do) in which the morality of a given situation in our experience replaces our own to some degree or another. Such a thing could be influenced by D&D Theology, but since the theology of most deities amounts to Virtue Ethics, since the designers of a campaign setting have never attempted to write a full canon for every deity to the point of rituals, hymns, community involvements, and sacred texts... we've already got it covered in the OP.</p><p></p><p>But I can see... [USER=6788736]@Flamestrike[/USER] is utterly unwilling to accept that this thread is not about D&D's Cosmology or the Theology (Really scientific fact thereof) so screw it. I guess he gets to decide what this thread is about...</p><p></p><p>Hey, Flamestrike? You're wrong about D&D Cosmology being Moral Relativism. It is 100% Utterly and Violently ordered to an external viewer's Morality wherein good things are good because they are good and bad things are bad because they are bad, IE Deontology. </p><p></p><p>That Morality is the Writer's. Oh, you can argue that a follower of Llolth is "Doing Good" within their society when they follow the tenets of Llolth and murder whoever she tells them to as part of her Rites. But her alignment, and that character's alignment, are Evil. Maybe Neutral. Maybe Lawful. Maybe Chaotic. But Evil.</p><p></p><p>Llolth is not a "Good" god according to literally any source. Ergo Moral Relativity and specifically the sticky wicket of Subjective Morality (Honestly, that's what I should've titled that heading, foolish in hindsight) is irrelevant.</p><p></p><p>D&D has an external central moral authority over the -entire- cosmology of -every- world and it declares that Evil Gods are Evil, Good Gods are Good, and the matter is settled.</p><p></p><p>Now if you'd like to argue the matter further, feel free to create your own thread on the Theology of D&D Campaign Settings. Hell. Copy-Paste or Quote this post, there, and argue to your heart's content.</p><p></p><p>But get it out of here.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steampunkette, post: 8271405, member: 6796468"] You say some very right things... but for some very wrong reasons. Yeah. The topic is about the moral philosophies of heroic characters and not theologies. Yeah, players tend to project their own morality on PCs. With those two facts established: D&D Theology is irrelevant unless the player, separate from the character, ascribes to D&D Religions and has for enough of their life that such things shape their moral identity. That said, of course, the player can also chose to engage in Role Morality (Almost all of us do) in which the morality of a given situation in our experience replaces our own to some degree or another. Such a thing could be influenced by D&D Theology, but since the theology of most deities amounts to Virtue Ethics, since the designers of a campaign setting have never attempted to write a full canon for every deity to the point of rituals, hymns, community involvements, and sacred texts... we've already got it covered in the OP. But I can see... [USER=6788736]@Flamestrike[/USER] is utterly unwilling to accept that this thread is not about D&D's Cosmology or the Theology (Really scientific fact thereof) so screw it. I guess he gets to decide what this thread is about... Hey, Flamestrike? You're wrong about D&D Cosmology being Moral Relativism. It is 100% Utterly and Violently ordered to an external viewer's Morality wherein good things are good because they are good and bad things are bad because they are bad, IE Deontology. That Morality is the Writer's. Oh, you can argue that a follower of Llolth is "Doing Good" within their society when they follow the tenets of Llolth and murder whoever she tells them to as part of her Rites. But her alignment, and that character's alignment, are Evil. Maybe Neutral. Maybe Lawful. Maybe Chaotic. But Evil. Llolth is not a "Good" god according to literally any source. Ergo Moral Relativity and specifically the sticky wicket of Subjective Morality (Honestly, that's what I should've titled that heading, foolish in hindsight) is irrelevant. D&D has an external central moral authority over the -entire- cosmology of -every- world and it declares that Evil Gods are Evil, Good Gods are Good, and the matter is settled. Now if you'd like to argue the matter further, feel free to create your own thread on the Theology of D&D Campaign Settings. Hell. Copy-Paste or Quote this post, there, and argue to your heart's content. But get it out of here. [/QUOTE]
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