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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 430166" data-attributes="member: 6875">What, you'd hate to play under a DM thatinsists you RP your CHARATER, as his/her/it's attributes truly indicate?Look at the flip side; if someone who, IC, has an 18+ Charisma and, OOC, has a 6- charisma tells me, as a DM, "I ask the nearest village idiot where the d*mned tavern is" in an aburpt tone, well, I will presume, unless I'm told the character makes an especial effort to be rude, that the question is phrased more in keeping with an 18 charisma, than wth a 6 charisma.Which is only fair and just; not every game would HAVE the equivalent of an 18 in all their mental attributes.  Yet, they might want to play a character who DOES have a high score like that.  The average-brained kid might want to play the egg-head superbrained wizard some day.  Why should she be forbidden to?Thus, if a low-charisma character's player acts all diplomatic ... I'msorry, it's actually easier to play your attribute DOWN, than to play it up.  It's easier for a normally polite person to be rude, than for a rude b*st*rd to be polite.  Thus, Charisma 6 half-orc?  Well, you're not going to SAY "Excuse me, goodman, could you point me in the direction of a good tavern?" ... he's much more likely going to say "Hey, you!  Where in the Nine Hells can a man get a decent drink in this stinking mudhole of a village?!"Which is where the charisma stat comes in (or more aptly, the modifier).  Unless someone says OOC that they're making an especial effort to be courteous/diplomatic, I assume they "take ten" on any interactions.  Charisma 6, no ranks in diplomacy, and take 10?  You get an 8, which ain't so hot.  Charisma 18, 6 ranks in diplomacy, and take a 10?  You get a 20, which IS a good result.That would be more in line with a low-INT, average-CHA character simply not KNOWING the social protocols involved, and flubbing the "do you even know HOW to be suave andurbane" roll.Failing a CHA roll doesn't mean you flub up a bit; it means you fail to be "likable" / "impressive" / whatever was the right angle to take.  Asking for directions, you're trying to be polite and inoffensive.  Failing that means, you're (at least mildly) rude and offensive.Normal polite ocnversation?  OFC not.  But "pardon, good sir, woudl you be so kind as to ..." ... isn't NORMAL polite conversation.  That's gentlemanly polite, and a Charisma of 8 just might have extreme difficulty pulling it off.Were I the GM in question, and Krusk's player simply said "Hey, bub, where's th'latrine?" ... no adjustment needed.  However "Pardon, good sir" ... that's not in form for a lower Charisma.  At all.Hence my own examples, comparing with a SIX charisma.And too many people ignore a negative modifier altogether.  IMO, that group outnumbers the over-emphasisers by at LEAST an order of magnitude.</blockquote>

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