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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kahuna Burger" data-source="post: 1057106" data-attributes="member: 8439">my feelings exactly. These are stories, for dog's sake, they are rated on whether I enjoy readng them, not as some sort of performance art... After the red wedding, I simply skimmed the rest of the book for the plot threads I felt like seeing the continuation of, but with a completely detached air (which for me means almost zero enjoyment). I won't be reading the next until my bf (who is a big fan and put me onto them) has read it first, given me all major spoilers, and I'll still probably skip around to the chapters with good names at the begining...I only enjoy stories I can become emotionally invested in. When I am punished for that emotional investment, I don't like it. Some people like that style of writing, great have fun with it. But there's nothing terribly "brave" or creative about being the literary equivelent of a killer DM. "Reality" is what we have the news for. Fantasy doesn't stick to certain heroic conventions because the writers CAN'T write about pointless puppy kicking, it sticks to the conventions because they make good fiction. Good = enjoyable, not "edgy" in case I hadn't made that clear...gggrrrrrr..... Mad at Martin all over again....PS, one problem is that rather than making stories feel more realistic, pointless main character deaths actually make me far more aware of it as fiction. There's a certain amount you can do to make the reader 'angry' at the antagonist characters, but when you cross a line, I find that there is no way to look at it but "MARTIN decided to kill off these characters, and F*** up the plot." It breaks the willing suspension of disbelief for me, in addition to making me lose interest in the story.Kahuna burger</blockquote>

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