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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sirius_Black" data-source="post: 1095054" data-attributes="member: 4142">stevelabny posted: It is wonderful isn't it.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />  I can't recall the last time a series has excited me so much and frustrated me so much with having to wait until the next book. I've very glad I avoided, save for one instance, spoilers on this book.  I really hope when the next book comes out there are no instances of people putting spoilers in the titles of threads.  Laugh, but I've seen it happen on some boards. Is there a good guy in Martin's series?  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />  Seriously, I do think Jon Snow is a good, young man and I think some of your comments about him were harsh.Spoilers Folks, turn back now or I'll reveal how the Matrix series ends.. First off, he's 15, 16 maybe now.  Give him some credit there for keeping his head about him while others are losing theirs.....literally sometimes.  I know grown adults that freaked and paniked when facing situations not nearly as horrifying as the ones Jon has faced.  For the most part, I think he's done very well and is not that clueless, but learning and growing.  I also see you've joined the "I hate Catelyn fan club."  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  I'll reiterate what I've said about Jon briefly for her.  Consider what she has gone through and seen in front of her very eyes......I think she held up well.  As for the last part of "A Storm of Swords" ...well....she is still holding up, somewhat.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />  He's a bastard.  I don't see how he could question Catelyn's attitude or not being seated at the table when the King/Queen came to visit.  Many noble ladies like Catelyn would see Jon as nothing but an insult.  Moreover, Ned's own refusal to divulge the circumstances surrounding his birth had to only add fuel to Catelyn's fire.  I still don't think it excuses her reaction to Jon when he wanted to say goodbye to Bran.  But, again, Catelyn was a grieving mother and Jon stood his ground and would not leave until he said goodbye.Of course, Ned's refusal to talk about Jon's origins opens up another door on the fact I don't think he's Ned's bastard, but I digress.... He has sworn himself to the Nightwatch.  Jon took orders from a superior to kill said superior and infiltrate this group that was threatening the Kingdom.  What as a soldier was he to do? I understand the comments you make about the Wildlings.  They are not the total savages many view them as.  However, they are not the romanticized notion that you seem to be getting at.  They would have brought nothing but chaos and anarchy to the rest of the lands. Yes, there were many good people in the Wildlings.  That doesn't mean they should have been allowed to just roam South.  It seems your anger towards Jon comes from the fact you wish he had stayed with the Wildlings and forgotten his oath to the Nightwatch? If he had done so, other readers would be screaming at him and calling him a traitor.  A person's word is still their word.  Especially in a setting like Westeros, a man or leader's word is very big.  If you want to look for proof of that, do I have to bring up what caused the events of the Red Wedding? Yes, many have forgotten Jon Snow.  But, I think one didn't.  I think Robb, with one of his last actions (don't recall the page number) before he got to the aforementioned Wedding, named Jon his heir.  If that's the case, we are in for some interesting times when that comes to light.  And it definitely can since, as the last chapter of "A Storm of Swords" reveals, not all of Robb's men were killed.You are dead on criticizing, IMHO, the Nightwatch for nearly electing Janos Slynt. They like other organizations, can make horrible mistakes. He thinks he's doing the right think by staying there.  Give me a person who believes that any day over someone who knows they are doing things for ulterior motives or is uncertain. Ah, Melisandre.  I have gone back and forth on what her motives are.  When she did what she did with Renly, I was so ready to paint her into the Fray corner as I call it now.  However, there is something there.  She honestly seems to believe she's doing the right thing in how she's been advising and helping Stannis.  I used to think no matter what that Renly's assassination was just horribly wrong and unfair for a King like Stannis to do.  Then I read on another board some people who met George R.R. Martin and brought up Renly's murder and how they disliked it.  To paraphrase his response"So if you had the chance to kill Hitler with one fell swoop or act, you wouldn't?"Now, I don't think Renly was Hitler.  But, if Stannis and Melisandre think that by killing him they can save thousands of lives, well......frightening what actions humans will take if they think they are doing it for the greater good. Nor do I think he will ever forgive himself.  One of the most touching images I have obtained is a "You know Nothing Jon Snow" drawing right as Ygritte dies. It's sad, but what else was he to do? Take her with him? Impossible. Stay? Wasn't going to happen. So, what was he to do? Jaime doesn't feel fatherly towards his children with Cersei because he's never been allowed to be a father.  Jeoffrey was to Jaime exactly what Jaime summed it up very explicitly and too graphic for this board. I'm glad Martin did not show this romantic notion of a father watching from the distance and still loving his son.  Now, from the preview chapter I've read and heard about, Jaime does appear to be trying to be somewhat more of a paternal figure to Tommen.  However, it will remain to be seen how far he's allowed to carry any such actions. Please ramble again any time.  I know I disagreed with you on a great deal that you posted.  But, I love to see people passionate about books that they enjoyed.  You definitely showed that and thank you for your post.Additionally, for those who like Jon Snow   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />  I have come across some new images of him at a Song of Fire and Ice Board.  The drawings show Jon with Arya, I think right after he gives Needle to her and Jon with Mormont (spelling).  If anyone wants the link to the images, just let me know.  The works are very well done IMHO.</blockquote>

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