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Message: <blockquote data-quote="stevelabny" data-source="post: 1095700" data-attributes="member: 9298">You are now in the Spoiler Zone, I hijacked this thread after finishing the series so far.  My apologies. But you really should went out and bought the books by now. Yes, I mean you.WizardDru / Sirius Black...   your posts almost convinced me that this all stems from my own peronal problems with most forms of authority , especially the bigger and nonsencial red-tape and overly regulated types of leadership. almost. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-P" title="Stick out tongue    :-P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":-P" />  of course, i never felt the need to take jon down a peg until i reaad everyone calling him a hero, so this probably tells you something else too. I guess I'm just saying that if I had a choice of which character to befriend and trust with my life, it wouldnn't be Jon, cuz he'd leave me to die the next time duty came up. (it would be Arya, cuz nobody expects her to be a cold-blooded killer) as I was reading the books, it never dawned on me that Jon wasn't Ned's and I kept looking (and failing) to find clues pointing to his mother.  When Lysa and Littlefinger were talking about their pregnancy, I wondered if it was anyway possible that Jon was the result of that (leading to the book 7 "i am your father" moment between "hero" Jon and chief-dung-stirrer Littlefinger) but quickly decided I've watched too many soap operas. When I read the Lyanna-Rhaegar theory a few hours after finishing ASOS I have to admit... its the most likely I think we're gonna find. Holy Ned retains his honor, Catelyn looks like an even bigger idiot, Valiant Rhaegar gets an heir, Jon gets the blood of Ice and Fire , Dany gets a relative, and the Stark kids get another reason to turn on him if they feel like it. I'm a bit annoyed I didnt see it myself, but I think where I had problem keeping track of soooo many characters (with the same name even) was not in the present timeline, but with the stories of the history. It was hard to keep them straight, especially in the first two books. These books almost beg me to go back and re-read them right now, but I'll wait a bit. Maybe reread the Belgariad and see if it holds up at all. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-P" title="Stick out tongue    :-P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":-P" />I caught on to the Renly-Loras thing after spendng the first two books saying "of course every one thinks the pretty boys are gay, doesnt mean they are".  Heh.  Almost reverse psychologied my way out of that one. I really l ike my Melisandre "lighting the way" theory.  (but only cuz i havent seen it elsewhere) But either way, I dont think she's really a good priestess of a good god trying to save the world. Not no way, not no how.I really hope that the other new POV is Asha (not Osha). This chick rocked on toast. Would love to see her do what Cersei can't and climb onto the throne in Pyke.Would also really dig a Loras POV but that ain't bloody likely to happen with so many POVs in King's Landing already.Sandor vs Jaqen (sp?) is the fight that I'd pay to see. These two are clearly the "Boba Fetts" of this universe.And while I'm at it... how much like a big-screen epic do these books read? From the birth of the dragons scene at the end of book one, to the battle of Blackwater Bay, and the Red Wedding...WOW.  And it never comes across as pandering to the big screen (as the climax to Order of the Phoenix did) Am I the only one who wants all the words to "The Bear and the Maiden Fair"?Is anyone else wondering how dense Dany is that she counted Jorah's betrayal as TWO? and one last thing,HODOR</blockquote>

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