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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jdavis" data-source="post: 1097652" data-attributes="member: 8704">Well lets see here. I guess we have thrown the spoiler tag to the wind. Caitlin Stark: reminds me of my step mother too much for me to think of her as a good character. I know she gets a lot of flack and I don't like her either but she would have to be considered a good character, well I don't know what to consider her now that she is dead but still hanging around (yea she's supposed to be brought back to life but bloated corpses with slit throats don't return to meaningful normal lives, she's some kind of freaky thing with no purpose but revenge now).Jon Snow: Well all the things that were mentioned with the wildlings that he turned his back on is what makes me think of him as the most heroic person in the book, he sacrificed everything for his honor and to do what was right. Lets face it if the wall came down then it's all over, the only reason Manse was heading south was to escape the Others, he was desperate enough to destroy the wall to escape them, he wasn't invading he was fleeing. There was no living happy with the wildlings, there was no getting a house with a girl, it was a choice of keeping the wall intact to save the world or selfishly being the reason that everyone in the Kingdom would die. Yes it wasn't a happy thing for him at all but he did what was right, to do any action but save the wall doomed everybody on the continent to death from the Others. Yes nobody knows what they are or what is going on but as readers we have seen what they can do (and so had Jon Snow). any action but keeping the wall intact and closed to the North would be letting this evil cross to the south.Wildlings: The wildling system was different than the kingdom system but any system where rule is that the strong take what they want from the weak and can rape and kill as they will is not a working system at all. No they were not complete savages but they were not Robin Hood types either, they took from the poor and the weak and they killed anyone who got in their way, lets not inflate them to being ok people. A lot of people romanticize pirates and I'm sure there were pirates who were real likable guys, but they were still murders and rapist and outlaws with no concern for anybody but themselves.Rhaegar and Lyanna: should we put odds on just who really is Jon Snow's parents? What makes the Rhaegar and Lyanna theory good is that it fits with Ned keeping his mouth shut (naming him a Targaryen would be a death sentence for Jon Snow). Jamie: Oh lets not mince words he is a "grade A" jerk. Why his POV story is getting attention and is one of the most interesting is that he realizes what kind of person he really is and is starting to see himself in a different light.Melisandre: outright evil, or religious fanatic? does it really matter, she does evil things (by the truckload), that's good enough for me.Renly: Well sometimes you just got to murder your younger brother who is trying to steal your rightful throne, eh it happens.New POV: Brienne or Asha (I'd go with Asha as Brienne will probably stay attached to Jamie's POV, and there is no POV character on Pyke.)Release Date: Good grief it's not even worth thinking about right now, any date that isn't right now is just way to far away.Casterly Rock's heir: Kevan Lannister or one of his sons (controlled by Cersei) would be my best guess.</blockquote>

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