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<blockquote data-quote="JoeBlank" data-source="post: 1220808" data-attributes="member: 1806"><p>I've resisted doing this, but I am finally giving in and defending KB and DocM. Personally, SoIaF is one of my favorite works of literature. Consider me a Martin Fanboy.</p><p> </p><p>But KB and DocM are not just bashing the series, they are making reasoned arguments for their positions and, perhaps most importantly, their answers are highly on-topic to the questions posed by Cetavian, the thread-starter:</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>From this, I get that Celtavian is still hoping that the series will give in to convention, that the "bad guys" will "get what they deserve". He is very emotionally invested in this hope, which shows how much he is enjoying the series. </p><p> </p><p>But KB and DocM are just trying to warn him that, at least from what we have seen so far, he is not going to get what he wants from Martin. It sounds like KB in particular was in a similar situation, from the standpoint that she was emotionally invested in liking some of the good characters. And she was very disappointed to see their fates. She has even said that she wishes someone had warned her before she devoted so much time and energy to the series.</p><p> </p><p>So there you go, Celtavian. The answers to your question is, for the most part: No. From what we have seen so far in the series, the "bad guys" often win, and the "good guys" often lose. And in Martin's world, to lose is usually to die, horribly. For this, and other, valid reasons, some people do not like the series. However, some of us continue to enjoy it, and yearn for more.</p><p> </p><p>But I am afraid that if you decide to continue reading for the purpose of witnessing the powers of good winning all, and living happily ever after, and the powers of evil ending up dead and/or suffering, then you are making a mistake. Read the series because you like it, hate the characters you want to hate and love the ones you want to love. But don't become too emotionally invested in the fates of either, or it may ruin you enjoyment of an excellent work.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JoeBlank, post: 1220808, member: 1806"] I've resisted doing this, but I am finally giving in and defending KB and DocM. Personally, SoIaF is one of my favorite works of literature. Consider me a Martin Fanboy. But KB and DocM are not just bashing the series, they are making reasoned arguments for their positions and, perhaps most importantly, their answers are highly on-topic to the questions posed by Cetavian, the thread-starter: From this, I get that Celtavian is still hoping that the series will give in to convention, that the "bad guys" will "get what they deserve". He is very emotionally invested in this hope, which shows how much he is enjoying the series. But KB and DocM are just trying to warn him that, at least from what we have seen so far, he is not going to get what he wants from Martin. It sounds like KB in particular was in a similar situation, from the standpoint that she was emotionally invested in liking some of the good characters. And she was very disappointed to see their fates. She has even said that she wishes someone had warned her before she devoted so much time and energy to the series. So there you go, Celtavian. The answers to your question is, for the most part: No. From what we have seen so far in the series, the "bad guys" often win, and the "good guys" often lose. And in Martin's world, to lose is usually to die, horribly. For this, and other, valid reasons, some people do not like the series. However, some of us continue to enjoy it, and yearn for more. But I am afraid that if you decide to continue reading for the purpose of witnessing the powers of good winning all, and living happily ever after, and the powers of evil ending up dead and/or suffering, then you are making a mistake. Read the series because you like it, hate the characters you want to hate and love the ones you want to love. But don't become too emotionally invested in the fates of either, or it may ruin you enjoyment of an excellent work. [/QUOTE]
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