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<blockquote data-quote="Marshall" data-source="post: 583338" data-attributes="member: 765">I dont care how much Sound you have it doesnt have any damaging characteristics until you include the overpressure/concussive/harmonic effects. Its not the SOUND that does damage, Its the side-effects.Sonic is just Force damage that doesn't auto-hit incorporeal creatures. A Sonic Fireball is a Silent Blast of Concussive Force is just as viable as a Cacophonous Roar. A +1 Screaming Sword is a Star Wars Vibro-blade. Sonic doesnt have to make noise. Actually, Cold is the most powerful substitution. There are quite a few Fire Subtypes that take double damage from Cold and fewer resistant than vice-versa. Sonic just has (nearly)no-one resistant, but also no-one vulnerable. Except Crystal creatures, which is what? 2? 3? The Order of Preference is 1 Cold2 Fire-Sonic4 Acid-At Least it stops some regens5 Electricity- Lots of Resistance, Only the Iron Golem is sort-of vulnerable&nbsp;At the point of casting Shatter makes a sound, but you dont have to hear the noise to be affected by it. Unless the caster is in the Silence effect the spell goes thru. Only Shout is affected by Silence, and Yes &quot;the designers did always feel the need to spell everything out in simple terms.&quot; If the book doesnt say it, it isnt the Rule. That been the general rule of 3e.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Marshall, post: 583338, member: 765"] I dont care how much Sound you have it doesnt have any damaging characteristics until you include the overpressure/concussive/harmonic effects. Its not the [i]SOUND[/i] that does damage, Its the side-effects. Sonic is just Force damage that doesn't auto-hit incorporeal creatures. A [i]Sonic Fireball[/i] is a Silent Blast of Concussive Force is just as viable as a Cacophonous Roar. A [i]+1 Screaming Sword[/i] is a Star Wars Vibro-blade. Sonic doesnt have to make noise. Actually, Cold is the most powerful substitution. There are quite a few Fire Subtypes that take double damage from Cold and fewer resistant than vice-versa. Sonic just has (nearly)no-one resistant, but also no-one vulnerable. Except Crystal creatures, which is what? 2? 3? The Order of Preference is 1 Cold 2 Fire-Sonic 4 Acid-At Least it stops some regens 5 Electricity- Lots of Resistance, Only the Iron Golem is sort-of vulnerable At the point of casting [i]Shatter[/i] makes a sound, but you dont have to hear the noise to be affected by it. Unless the caster is in the [i]Silence[/i] effect the spell goes thru. Only [i]Shout[/i] is affected by [i]Silence[/i], and Yes "the designers [b]did[/b] always feel the need to spell everything out in simple terms." If the book doesnt say it, it isnt the Rule. That been the general rule of 3e. [/QUOTE]

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