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<blockquote data-quote="thundershot" data-source="post: 168398" data-attributes="member: 628">But where do you draw the line? If a creature has the natural ability to spew acid once every 1d4 rounds, should they have it? Biologically, the creature has the sacs that contain the acid... Or a creature who paralyzes you with a touch of their tentacle? It's supposed to be a biological thing, yet so are all (Ex) abilities. A troll's biology allows them to regenerate... etc.Actually, the entry for Poly Other in Tome &amp; Blood says &quot;Natural abilities include armor, natural attacks (claw, bite, swoop, rake, and constriction; but not petrification, breath weapons, energy drain, energy effects, etc)&quot;THAT leads me to believe that you DO get the acid spray, or the blindsight.But down lower, it says &quot;The subject does not gain the supernatural abilities (such as breath weapons and gaze attacks) or the extraordinary abilities of the new creature.&quot;It's almost contradictary... The natural attacks ARE (Ex) abilities, yet you don't get those... I'm almost tempted to just let the PC have the (Ex) abilities and see what happens. Problem is, a spellcaster turning into a Girillon will be slaughtering things with his massive STR, and almost guaranteed RENDING things every round. AND... he can still cast spells with opposable thumbs. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Chris (wondering if there's an official ruling)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="thundershot, post: 168398, member: 628"] But where do you draw the line? If a creature has the natural ability to spew acid once every 1d4 rounds, should they have it? Biologically, the creature has the sacs that contain the acid... Or a creature who paralyzes you with a touch of their tentacle? It's supposed to be a biological thing, yet so are all (Ex) abilities. A troll's biology allows them to regenerate... etc. Actually, the entry for Poly Other in Tome & Blood says "Natural abilities include armor, natural attacks (claw, bite, swoop, rake, and constriction; but not petrification, breath weapons, energy drain, energy effects, etc)" THAT leads me to believe that you DO get the acid spray, or the blindsight. But down lower, it says "The subject does not gain the supernatural abilities (such as breath weapons and gaze attacks) or the extraordinary abilities of the new creature." It's almost contradictary... The natural attacks ARE (Ex) abilities, yet you don't get those... I'm almost tempted to just let the PC have the (Ex) abilities and see what happens. Problem is, a spellcaster turning into a Girillon will be slaughtering things with his massive STR, and almost guaranteed RENDING things every round. AND... he can still cast spells with opposable thumbs. :D Chris (wondering if there's an official ruling) [/QUOTE]

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