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Sorcere Elemantalist at-wills over powered ??
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<blockquote data-quote="Larrin" data-source="post: 5848668" data-attributes="member: 55816"><p>Looking at daily-less strikers I've played (1st level): A fire elementalist, and two scouts, one axe, one sword.</p><p></p><p>to hit:</p><p>Elementalist: +5 vs nads</p><p>axe scout: +7 vs ac</p><p>sword scout: +10 vs ac</p><p></p><p>I start with to hit to because its kinda huge: My sword scout missed on only 3 total attacks (after heroic effort and other rerolls) over 10+ 3-4 round encounters, swinging twice every round.  Both the elementalist and axe scout miss a lot. This lowers their actual effectiveness, and so despite high damage, they can actually have lower damage per round than my sword scout did.</p><p></p><p>fire elementalist bolt: 1d12+1d6+8=10-26 dmg at will</p><p>fire elementalist ignite:1d10+8 = 9-18 per hit targets (usually two for me, so 18-36)</p><p>axe scout: 1d10+1d6+7+7 = 16-30 (8-17 if only first hits) at will,  +2 with ca</p><p>Sword scout: 1d8+1d4+6+6=14-24,+2with ca, +2 with aspects</p><p></p><p>not too far off, really. Plus scouts get some great aspect bonuses.  But if the el-sorc hits 3+ targets, its obvious that el-sorc starts winning...</p><p></p><p>encounter:</p><p>elementalist: +1d10 (per hit) and hit one more target (with the +1d10)! If the extra hit hits that's an effective damage increase of 2d10+1d12+1d6+8 on elemental bolt!  Also, I get to shift.</p><p>axe scout: +1d10</p><p>sword scout: +1d8</p><p></p><p>......if anything is out of line for elementalists, it's the encounter power.</p><p>They are a potent striker with their at wills, but I think its close enough (though I've definitely felt at times I was doing too much damage, I think I did more with my sword scout), but the encounter nova they can do is unmatched by any thing a scout, thief, slayer or other essentials striker can hope for.  Then again, I've missed both targets several times with my encounter, leaving me with only my killer at-wills to use for the rest of the fight <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" /></p><p></p><p>Just my thoughts.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Larrin, post: 5848668, member: 55816"] Looking at daily-less strikers I've played (1st level): A fire elementalist, and two scouts, one axe, one sword. to hit: Elementalist: +5 vs nads axe scout: +7 vs ac sword scout: +10 vs ac I start with to hit to because its kinda huge: My sword scout missed on only 3 total attacks (after heroic effort and other rerolls) over 10+ 3-4 round encounters, swinging twice every round. Both the elementalist and axe scout miss a lot. This lowers their actual effectiveness, and so despite high damage, they can actually have lower damage per round than my sword scout did. fire elementalist bolt: 1d12+1d6+8=10-26 dmg at will fire elementalist ignite:1d10+8 = 9-18 per hit targets (usually two for me, so 18-36) axe scout: 1d10+1d6+7+7 = 16-30 (8-17 if only first hits) at will, +2 with ca Sword scout: 1d8+1d4+6+6=14-24,+2with ca, +2 with aspects not too far off, really. Plus scouts get some great aspect bonuses. But if the el-sorc hits 3+ targets, its obvious that el-sorc starts winning... encounter: elementalist: +1d10 (per hit) and hit one more target (with the +1d10)! If the extra hit hits that's an effective damage increase of 2d10+1d12+1d6+8 on elemental bolt! Also, I get to shift. axe scout: +1d10 sword scout: +1d8 ......if anything is out of line for elementalists, it's the encounter power. They are a potent striker with their at wills, but I think its close enough (though I've definitely felt at times I was doing too much damage, I think I did more with my sword scout), but the encounter nova they can do is unmatched by any thing a scout, thief, slayer or other essentials striker can hope for. Then again, I've missed both targets several times with my encounter, leaving me with only my killer at-wills to use for the rest of the fight :P Just my thoughts. [/QUOTE]
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