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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8838145" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>I'm a couple of states away from my books for a couple more days of holiday. Both sorcerer and wizard have soells on their list not present on the other's but almost none of those are top shelf bread & butter ones. Sorcerer has access to all the top shelf ones making the size of a spell list of questionable value when comparing a spells known class to a class that prepares spells from a limited subset of its spell list consisting only of the spells in their spellbook.</p><p></p><p>Yes the wizard has more spells scribed than sorcerer spells known, but once again 5e favors sorcerer's limits with overused one at a time concentration & "deliberately overturned" spells deemed "iconic". You can go right down the list of top shelf spells (ie: fireball lightning bolt web slow eyebite & so on) & each time you see that the theoretical limitation carries little actual loss given that the known/prepared lists of each class tends to be largely static at the table where things differ greatly from the ehiteroom quantum spellbook vrs a 1e/2e style "gm chose my spells for me & they all suck" sorcerer scenario. If sorcerer was meaningfully hindered by the loss then the two would look very different at the table based on spell selection, that's not the case though.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8838145, member: 93670"] I'm a couple of states away from my books for a couple more days of holiday. Both sorcerer and wizard have soells on their list not present on the other's but almost none of those are top shelf bread & butter ones. Sorcerer has access to all the top shelf ones making the size of a spell list of questionable value when comparing a spells known class to a class that prepares spells from a limited subset of its spell list consisting only of the spells in their spellbook. Yes the wizard has more spells scribed than sorcerer spells known, but once again 5e favors sorcerer's limits with overused one at a time concentration & "deliberately overturned" spells deemed "iconic". You can go right down the list of top shelf spells (ie: fireball lightning bolt web slow eyebite & so on) & each time you see that the theoretical limitation carries little actual loss given that the known/prepared lists of each class tends to be largely static at the table where things differ greatly from the ehiteroom quantum spellbook vrs a 1e/2e style "gm chose my spells for me & they all suck" sorcerer scenario. If sorcerer was meaningfully hindered by the loss then the two would look very different at the table based on spell selection, that's not the case though. [/QUOTE]
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