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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 7986180" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Well that's extremely rude, and it feels like you didn't actually read my post.</p><p></p><p>I read the first two pages of that thread, and the last one. This whole "zero consensus" thing you're insulting me about is meaningless, because you could argue that about literally anything in D&D (as we frequently see). There's clearly some agreement that sorcerers aren't as strong as other classes. As I said, even several of the people offering reasons you might want to play a sorcerer, mechanically, note that it has serious problems.</p><p></p><p>Obviously there's no complete consensus. There isn't about anything in D&D. That's a completely unreasonable bar, and if you're saying that I said there was, you're simply lying about what I've said. I'm saying that it's a common belief, and one that is not unreasonable to have, that Sorcerers are a bit sub-par for a full caster. It is also one that is fairly easy to support (given the claim is merely "sub-par", as in "below average" not "trash" or something extreme). The too-limited spell list and lack of spells known is the main issue - didn't you yourself say this might be seen as a genuine concern?</p><p></p><p>What I can't see any examples of in that thread are:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Where in that thread, specifically, are the posts that say the Sorcerer is "too powerful" in a broad sense (i.e. not in one niche situation). I couldn't find a single such post. <em>I already asked a similar question once.</em> If you fail to answer this <em>again</em>, after insulting me about this, I will regard that as the end of my discussions with you and as an admission that the posts don't actually exist. So please, if people actually said that, point out the posts.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 7986180, member: 18"] Well that's extremely rude, and it feels like you didn't actually read my post. I read the first two pages of that thread, and the last one. This whole "zero consensus" thing you're insulting me about is meaningless, because you could argue that about literally anything in D&D (as we frequently see). There's clearly some agreement that sorcerers aren't as strong as other classes. As I said, even several of the people offering reasons you might want to play a sorcerer, mechanically, note that it has serious problems. Obviously there's no complete consensus. There isn't about anything in D&D. That's a completely unreasonable bar, and if you're saying that I said there was, you're simply lying about what I've said. I'm saying that it's a common belief, and one that is not unreasonable to have, that Sorcerers are a bit sub-par for a full caster. It is also one that is fairly easy to support (given the claim is merely "sub-par", as in "below average" not "trash" or something extreme). The too-limited spell list and lack of spells known is the main issue - didn't you yourself say this might be seen as a genuine concern? What I can't see any examples of in that thread are: Where in that thread, specifically, are the posts that say the Sorcerer is "too powerful" in a broad sense (i.e. not in one niche situation). I couldn't find a single such post. [I]I already asked a similar question once.[/I] If you fail to answer this [I]again[/I], after insulting me about this, I will regard that as the end of my discussions with you and as an admission that the posts don't actually exist. So please, if people actually said that, point out the posts. [/QUOTE]
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