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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Var" data-source="post: 7992855" data-attributes="member: 7022819">Count me baffled about the claims that CON as a casting stat would be neglible and totally fine.Monstrous CON saves by level 4 or 8 over most other casters (+7/8 vs +2/3 or +4/5 with Resilience Con), more average HP than the average CON14 D10 Hitdie class or CON16 D8 Hitdie class. If that isn't stepping on the toes of other classes what is? Heck it irks be that my Rogue and Ranger rolled better than the Fighter and Paladin for a few levels.If CON was used as a casting stat then for something MAD with a reason to be a big bag of hitpoints in every case. Thinking about the low end of the curve not everyone might want to be a super tough Sorcerer, I'd imagine most people prefer being able to be the Face but still appreciate the Proficiency in Con for Concentration.As someone else mentioned a couple pages ago the base Sorcerer is fine. Look at the Divine Soul and tell me what's wrong with it and needs improving.The PHB Subclasses are lacking a Feature or two and an expanded Spell list for flavor. It's easy to tell that the subclasses are limited and a bit uninspired at a glance. Not unlike the PHB Ranger, you can tell at a glance that it's just not quite there.Put next to one of the worst offenders, like a Hexblade Warlock brimming with features, a Draconic Sorcerer is obviously dull. You can still edge out a build or two thanks to Metamagic carrying the whole class on its back, but you'd really like those expanded spell lists and a bit of extra sparkles to compete with the Spell variety of a Wizard and distinct subclass features of your estranged Bard cousin.</blockquote>

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