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<blockquote data-quote="Guest 6801328" data-source="post: 7993415"><p>Oh, wait, I mis-read what you wrote. Hold on, re-reading and re-responding.</p><p></p><p>Yeah, I'll go back to my post you were responding to. We've got to compare apples to apples, and I think the only way to do this is to follow three steps:</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Have both versions cast <em>darkness</em> the <strong>same</strong> number of times (really, how do you compare the results otherwise?)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Convert sorcery points until they both have the same number of slots, and compare remaining sorcery points.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Start over, but this time convert slots until they both have the same number of sorcery points, and compare remaining slots.</li> </ol><p>What you'll find is that in step 2 they come out the same, but in step 3 your version always has more remaining spell slots.</p><p></p><p>EDIT:</p><p></p><p>So to use your example of casting four times...</p><p></p><p>In your version, you burn all four slots. You still have your five sorcery points, and remaining spell slots are 3x2nd and 2x3rd.</p><p></p><p>In the UA version, to finish with all your sorcery points, you could burn all your points (2 castings), then convert 1 1st level slot and 1 second level slot and burn those (2 more castings). Now you have to get your points back. So you convert your last 3 first level slots, and one second level slot. That leaves us with no 1st level slots, and only 1 2nd level slot.</p><p></p><p>Final score:</p><table style='width: 100%'><tr><td></td><td>UA Version</td><td>Chaosmancer Version</td></tr><tr><td>Sorcery Points</td><td>5</td><td>5</td></tr><tr><td>1st level slots</td><td>0</td><td>0</td></tr><tr><td>2nd level slots</td><td><strong><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">1</span></strong></td><td><strong><span style="color: rgb(97, 189, 109)">3</span></strong></td></tr><tr><td>3rd level slots</td><td>2</td><td>2</td></tr></table><p></p><p>If the only thing you ever used sorcery points on were spell slots, then the two version would be symmetric. But if you <em>also</em> want to use sorcery points for metamagic, your version has a clear advantage.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Guest 6801328, post: 7993415"] Oh, wait, I mis-read what you wrote. Hold on, re-reading and re-responding. Yeah, I'll go back to my post you were responding to. We've got to compare apples to apples, and I think the only way to do this is to follow three steps: [LIST=1] [*]Have both versions cast [I]darkness[/I] the [B]same[/B] number of times (really, how do you compare the results otherwise?) [*]Convert sorcery points until they both have the same number of slots, and compare remaining sorcery points. [*]Start over, but this time convert slots until they both have the same number of sorcery points, and compare remaining slots. [/LIST] What you'll find is that in step 2 they come out the same, but in step 3 your version always has more remaining spell slots. EDIT: So to use your example of casting four times... In your version, you burn all four slots. You still have your five sorcery points, and remaining spell slots are 3x2nd and 2x3rd. In the UA version, to finish with all your sorcery points, you could burn all your points (2 castings), then convert 1 1st level slot and 1 second level slot and burn those (2 more castings). Now you have to get your points back. So you convert your last 3 first level slots, and one second level slot. That leaves us with no 1st level slots, and only 1 2nd level slot. Final score: [TABLE] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD]UA Version[/TD] [TD]Chaosmancer Version[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Sorcery Points[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [TD]5[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]1st level slots[/TD] [TD]0[/TD] [TD]0[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2nd level slots[/TD] [TD][B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]1[/COLOR][/B][/TD] [TD][B][COLOR=rgb(97, 189, 109)]3[/COLOR][/B][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]3rd level slots[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [TD]2[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] If the only thing you ever used sorcery points on were spell slots, then the two version would be symmetric. But if you [I]also[/I] want to use sorcery points for metamagic, your version has a clear advantage. [/QUOTE]
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